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promufa
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Any recommendations on allen keys? Reply with quote

I am looking to buy a decent set of allen keys, as the cheapo-tesco set I currently own just wont cut it.

I am having real trouble to undo bolts. They are very flexible and possibly not quite accurate size-wise. As a result as soon as you put some real pressure on them they just turn inside the bolt.

Thankfully since they are shit they have not yet managed to round off any of the bolts I tried using them on.

Socket type allens to fit on a ratchet will do as well

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PostPosted: 03:29 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

might be yank sizes . there ever so slightly different
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PostPosted: 03:43 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Britool allen key sets are good quality and reasonably priced. Look for a metric long arm ball end set, these give good purchase for initially cracking the bolt then quick fitting of the key using the ball end, around £12-£15 for a set.
Britool also do good quality hex bit socket sets, 1/2" drive metric sets start at around £20-£25.
Avoid B&Q and Pound Shop allen keys like the plague.
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PostPosted: 06:29 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, big thumbs up for long handled ball ended allen keys. Although there are some situations in which you need a shorter one.

Word of advice, if you go in the tool shop and ask, "have you got anything that's long with a ball end?", make sure you say it very clearly. You might get an answer you didn't expect.
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PostPosted: 06:43 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got my socket type allens from Machine Mart, iirc
and I hear good things about "Halfords Professional" tools if availability is a problem
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PostPosted: 07:51 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I buy LASER ball-end allen keys for £12 a set from my local car spares place. They are a good fit and never twist or break. I go through two or three sets a year because I tend to lose them at work.

Worth considering.
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a set of halfords 1/2" drive socket ones. These are good.

I also use the bit type in a ratchet screwdriver. These are also good as I have a selection of original 5mm and replacement stainless 4mm on the bike.

I can also recommend the ball type but find you need the longer lever of the square end to crack open the bolt first. I think my ball set were from aldi. They're ok but another set I have (can't remember where from) are a bit bendy.

So if you can I'd use a socket set and/or the bit type.

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PostPosted: 08:26 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stupidgit wrote:
might be yank sizes . there ever so slightly different


What are you talking about?

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PostPosted: 08:45 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hex bits are very good when used in conjunction with a good quality socket set.

Rediculously high quality set. Cheaper versions are available.
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Halfords socket based ones. Never had an issue Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer a hex socket bit on a wrench handle or a hex bit socket on a sliding T bar if it is for something like fairing bolts where there are millions of them.
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I have a couple of Bondhus sets which had taken a lot of abuse.

Similar to these

All the best

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PostPosted: 18:19 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
stupidgit wrote:
might be yank sizes . there ever so slightly different


What are you talking about?

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Cheers for the link I just bought a set. Some scrote on site nicked mine last week - he got a bonus too as I had a metric set and imperial set taped together Mad
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

lidl have a set for £5, got some 2 days ago, seem good so far and heard good review about other lidl tools
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
stupidgit wrote:
might be yank sizes . there ever so slightly different


What are you talking about?


Presumably he's exhorting poor Promufa to be sure they're using the right size allen for the bolt. If, for example, you're trying to use a millimetre-sized allen (european/japanese) in an inch-sized (american, older british) bolt - e.g. a 6mm allen in a 1/4" (6.3mm) bolt - it might look and initially feel like it's the right fit, but that 0.3mm difference is just enough that it'll wiggle slightly in the cutout and, with application of enough force, end up slipping and rounding both the allen AND the bolt cutout.

Though it could just be a problem that either the key, or the bolt itself is made of such cheap crappy mild steel that it's simply giving way under the strain. And I include the bolt as a potential culprit as I've suffered this problem with allen and star head bolts on my previous car. They weren't even doing anything structural or high-load, just stopping some pencil coils from jolting free of the spark plugs, and were decidedly oversized for the job, but may as well have been made out of cheese for all the resistance their inner surfaces offered to my tools. Eventually struggled them all out by a variety of means, got matching hard-as-death hex head replacements of the same spec, and binned the originals with great prejudice - replacing a few other looky likeys in the engine bay at the same time.

Echoing what at least one other person has said above - if you can't afford, or can't easily source super pricey professional-mechanic-grade stuff, then Machine Mart and Halford's midrange offerings are perfectly good for the home mechanic. The only thing from either place I've had a problem with was a cheapest-of-the-cheap, nasty little rachet that came in a multi-tool set I picked up for about a quid in the christmas sales one year. Worked ok for a little while, until I put some proper force on it, and the middle just dropped out. Replaced it with a proper one from the same place that still cost less than a tenner by itself and it's been absolutely solid. The matching torque wrench (about £20?) has proved well up to the task of dealing with head bolts and even car wheel hub bolts (with the help of a length of scaffolding pipe), and their variously socketed and quarter-inch-mini-rachet-compatible allen / star / spline / etc bits have given sterling service. Particularly the (socketed) allens + the (midsize) rachet are generally way, way better than yer typical allen key if you really need to give something a bit of torque.

I mean, they'd probably have worn out in abysmally quick time if I was a pro mechanic, but for the occasional home DIYer, they're perfectly good quality and fairly good value too. The torque wrench alone has saved me probably twice its purchase price just from allowing me to remove then properly re-install the rear wheel so I can have the tyre / inner tube replaced without paying the garage to dismount and remount it, and even saved me from having to have the bike transported home when the tyre self-destructed fifty miles up the M6 (just had to get myself up there with a spare wheel and the tools).

Lidl stuff... I can take or leave, to be honest. If you need a particular thing to finish a job, can't borrow it, and may not use more than twice, then they're exceptional value. Whether they'll last long term is a bit of a gamble - the quality of their merchandise is, well, rather variable, and often it's the most important parts of a brace of items that goes wrong. You should definitely keep your receipts.

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PostPosted: 19:19 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draper expert ball end set 25 quid.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use socket type ones from Machine Mart.
The bonus being that you can torque them up if needed.
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The kit i bought which was only cheap came with metric and imprerial im sure u can find a kit like this from any tool shop metric is in silver and imperial in black with my kit or its the other way round. but im sure if u go to a decent shop u can find a kit like this all you do is test them out to see which fit snuggly
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a lot guys.

To answer to a few people here:

Stupidgit: They are metric. They are just made of Brie.

tahrey: huh? TL;DR

Finally bought these:
https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&productId=169181

and since my £12 ratchet shat itself at 10Nm treated myself to one of those too:
https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&productId=241771

Thanks for the info guys Smile
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 28 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some Facom Hex keys at work, I have yet to twist of damage one despite plenty of trying.

Britool are good as well.

I think a 9pc metric set costs around £15 from RS or Farnell
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 28 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another vote for Machine Mart, I use these;
https://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/pro51-6-pce-38in-drive-hex-bit-set

Cheaper than Halfords equivalent set by about £5 and has a lifetime warranty.

Used with just a short extension bar they make a great hex-screwdriver for taking out squillions of fairing bolts. Anything that's tight, just attach a ratchet and crack it off.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 28 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The set I bought turned up today - less than 24hrs from ordering to reception.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 15 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

promufa wrote:

Stupidgit: They are metric. They are just made of Brie.

tahrey: huh? TL;DR


Um, which bit were you having trouble with? Smile
Part of the first section was indeed a ponderance on which of those two possibilities (imperial, or brie) it could have been...

Anyway, the stuff you've bought should be perfectly good. The allen sockets in particular I've used myself over five different vehicles and a couple of home DIY jobs too and they're still good.

I would however be a bit wary of how much torque you can put through the ratchets in that 64-piece set (especially the small one), and don't trust the universal joint any further than you can throw it. The halfords one I had of those broke apart with very little encouragement...
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