Illuminati, true or bs?

[EazyDuz]

One of those nights where i end up watching strange videos on youtube and research unknown stuff like aliens, ghosts and the Illuminati.
Just watched this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz-CoTv7DiI

Ive seen other evidence of sex, racism etc in Disney movies before. There is no denying that it is there (or was, before Disney edited their movies for DVD) but why is it there?
I dont believe in the Illuminati, though it is weird how that pyramid with the eye on it is clearly shown in many different cartoons.
Opinions?
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[Nick 50]

The whole area is a very dark and long rabbit hole in which you can get lost down for a very long time (2 years for me). After all the time I spent down it, I am left with more questions than I started with.

There are so many theories out there, it is hard to distinguish credible from mis-information.

Is it conceivable that there a bunch of very wealthy families who wish to gain power and control over the worlds population? For me, yes I think it is plausible.

But who is (or what is) the Illuminati? Is it the Queen? 12 Families? The Vatican? Zionists? Freemasons, Alien Shape-shifters? Pagans? Bilderbergers, Knights of Malta .............. who knows.
It was documented that the Rothschilds, in one family, accounted for half of the entire worlds wealth in 1900. So it is no wonder their name crops up time and time again.

I could go on and on. But yep the whole Pyramid thing just keeps popping up in the most bizarre of places. Kids programmes, Call of Duty games, The X Factor etc etc.
As far as I can see, it is heavily linked with the Freemasons.
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[hellkat]

I'd like to know more - but Nick's experience ^^ freaks me out a bit, because that's kind of how I expected it to be, lots of complicated links to tenuous other things, and you get lost trying to follow them.

Years ago I tried to understand the connections everywhere from the Gods Banker thingie (man hanging under Blackfriars Bridge) but although I kind of started to get the hang of it (pardon pun), I got list with who owned what and who did what, which company belonged to the Vatican and which belonged to the cardinals but not the Vatican, etc etc, ad nauseum

Hence I never really bothered to get into the Dan Brown stuff. I just haven't got the energy to get confused all over again.

Is there an Illuminati for Dummies I can have a flick through?
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[hellkat]

I've not even CLICKED that youtube link
Its way too late at night for me to start getting busy with complicated stuff like that.

*returns to throwing away 4-years worth of dusty filing instead*
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[TheSmiler]

They were very much real in the 18th century if they are still around today that's anybody's guess well apart from the people that might be part of it, just like the Freemasons conspiracies. If you really want to read into it look into the all seeing eye (look where it appears).

Illuminati link https://www.skepdic.com/illuminati.html
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[Nick 50]

[colin1]

I think it's more unofficial than organised, ie some powerful people want to meet with and influence other powerful people.

Tony Blair is god father to Rupert Murdoch's daughter. Mr Blair would just shrug that off as having no significance, but if you were him wouldnt it be good to have a good relationship with someone like murdoch ? being god father to his daughter is just something which has come out of that.

Gordon Brown would never do something like that, and Tony Blair describes him as having zero emotional intelligence. I just think he is a bit more dignified and doesn't abuse his position.

When Brown objected to Blair doling out honours for donations, and blackmailed him in an attempt to stop nhs reform, blair went public and thought Brown had been unreasonable. He really didnt think selling honours was that big a deal.

"Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, or Bilderberg Club is an annual, unofficial, invitation-only conference of approximately 120 to 140 guests from North America and Western Europe, most of whom are people of influence.[1][2] About one-third are from government and politics, and two-thirds from finance, industry, labour, education and communications. Meetings are closed to the public."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
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[Hockeystorm65]

Oh no! we are turning into Americans!!!!

.......now let me get this straight, the never ending desire of Americans to come up with a conspiracy theory that links the whole of the Universe together has now extended to The Little Mermaid and Who Framed Roger Rabbit?........or just possibly the tricks and jokes of cartoonists and illustrators that have been around since the Pyramids were built are still here and thriving across popular culture?

...and let me just check that I have got this right.......the super rich are all working together to stay super rich.............and that is news how?....they will have loads of 'clubs' and societies to do this because they all want to hang around with their mates....it is just like us not nodding at scooter rides and 'L' platers. Put it to the test, try and get on Bill Gates friends list on Facebook.......not accepted your friend request?...oh no! it is a conspiracy!

My explanation for all of this bollox is that a bunch of American, small dick, nerdy, non-bikers that have yet to get a girlfriend take teenage angst on to the internet and see how many gullible middle aged Yanks they can find who are willing to believe what they have always suspected...that there is something more out there that is unknown yet explains everything in entirely human terms using fragments of unrelated data from human culture...........once you get half a dozen of them then you have enough for a cult.....voilà!...the nerds get friends and might even get laid!

.....bear in mind that exactly this mechanism gave us Facebook!


....in the real World it doesn't work...for example, I have just tried to start the "The only way to save the World is to have Rampant sex in every room in the house before midnight tonight cult"....and have just been told to piss off and get to work by the wife!...case proven!
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[Skudd]

All you need to know is that there are peple with all the power, we will never ever know who they are, we are allowed to try to find them because we never will. They will never let the world become one big war zone.
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[The Artist]

The only people that truly believe there is a true group of people who meet and talk and call themselves the illuminati are nutters. Mostly American tin foil hat types.

It doesn't make sense. If you were a group of wealthy people who wanted to rule the world, you wouldn't use some ancient name that a bunch of nutters are already looking for. You would stay completely off the radar.

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[shereen]

The truth is out there........

That is all I have to say.
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[EazyDuz]

This seems to have sparked a lot of debate.
No one has really explained why this all seeing eye is in so many cartoons though? Its very clearly visible in some games and movies too. And also why are Disney films full of sex subliminal messages, these movies are for kids...
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[MarJay]

Conspiracy theories in some ways are like the new religion. They are impossible to prove or disprove, and they are shaped to fit the way we see the world now.

In other words, they are just as much nonsense as one another.

I had a colleague who believed in this type of stuff, and it all turned out it was based on some sort of religious bigotry. The theories he believed were all very intricate, and they encompassed everything from 9/11 to dinosaurs, to the moon landings and the banking crisis. That is the thing, basically anyone can say that anything in the world is being manipulated by a secret conspiracy.

I don't believe in this stuff, because I don't believe in peoples ability to keep their mouths shut. Too many people shoot their mouths off about too many things to keep something as monumental as a single group of people directing the entire world into slavery quiet.

Also, apparently the bilderbergs and the rockerfellers and the rothschilds are going to reduce the world population and then enslave us... Do you see the world population being reduced any time soon?
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[Benno]

While I've been growing more and more sceptical recently, I struggle to really buy into some of these conspiracy theories. It's so, so easy for words to get twisted (by accident or deliberately by idiots exaggerating things) and for the rumours to gain momentum, to broaden in [false] scope, to include more and more bullshit, and generally become more ridiculous, until two tangents of the same original "conspiracy" meet and they have become different, perhaps even competing, conspiracy theories in their own right.

Like someone else said, it's becoming like religion. Different conspiracy theories with sub 'sects'/branches of these mainstream conspiracy theories.

I'm 110% certain that there is a lot we ordinary people don't know about going on. The way international relations and politics works is 200% corruption and behind the scenes deals. It's just that this is rarely the way it is portrayed in the media. Yes, bankers and the rich have an inordinate amount of influence. Yes, politicians make dirty deals a dozen times a day (love a bit of alliteration). Yes, there are groups of influential people that meet to discuss where they should direct the world. Just like hobbyist clubs, these people have something in common - influence - and so they meet do discuss how to use it. It isn't fair, because it's affecting so many people's lives for their own benefit, but until we can devise a better system of government, we are not going to be able to get rid of them. Violent revolution will probably only replace them with another set of people if it were to happen now or in the near future.

[keggyhander]

Well, the Global Warming / Climate Change scam is a very real conspiracy.

Religion is the other main example.

Have you noticed that most "Conspiracies" are made up bollocks, yet the two examples above are very real, yet based on made up bollocks?

That's proper irony.

[Alpha-9]

I quite like the whole masonic imagery you see everywhere in the states

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Great_Seal_of_United_States.jpg

but i'd really rather not read into it, ignorance is bliss.
Already had a good 2 years of being ranted at it by my old boss, would rather stay the fuck away and not be labelled as a tinfoil hat kook
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