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The thing with confidence is it takes time to build it up. Your new to riding, give it time and it will all come together.  ____________________ illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
Hockeystorm65:.well there are childish arguments...there are very childish arguments.....there are really stupid childish arguments and now there are......Pinkfloyd arguments!
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As pinky has said the more you ride your confidence will get a lot better.Take your time in the damp if you want there's no rush to get any where  ____________________ "Nitrous is like a cheap hooker, you want to hit it but are scared of the consequences |
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| New_Rider wrote: | I've considered selling it and going for a slightly quicker 125 with fatter tyres but I don't really know if they are any better. I've also thought about going for a better set of thin tyres to stick on my ybr but the guy in my local shop said the stock ybr tyres aren['t that bad. |
Err... owners reports would tend to disagree....
Its a DAZ washes whiter, reletivity quizz though.... washes whiter than what? Soot? A mix of old engine oil & brake fluid?
Stock YBR tyres aren't that bad... as bad as what? Stock tyres on a Lexmoto? Bald Tyres?
Owners report that there is two makes of tyre commonly fitted to the YBR, I cant remember what, sure Ian or Rog will be along to fill in the blanks.... and one is moderately better than the other, which is deemed utter crap and only slightly better than the generic chinky budget tyres you get of e-bay for £30 a pair.
BUT Mitchelin M45's, are damn good, Pilots even better, along with Pirelli City Demons, are a complete revelation.
In other words, any reputable brand name tyre will make a BIG difference.
Bikes, only have two wheels, they are your only contact with teh floor, they DO mane a big difference, and they can make a huge difference to your confidence.
Cheap 'budget' tyres often dont have such a stable construction as
more expensive brands, or such grippy compound rubber, they may do the job, and they may last well, but often at the expense of how well 'planted' the bike feels on the road.
Bike tyres also have to work a lot harder than other tyres; bikes tilt in turns, they have to transmit forces at angles and at magnitudes other vehicles just never encounter, and they can get a bit 'funny' when they wear, and the shape of the cross section changes.
As a newb, starting out you probably dont lean the bike over very far or go very fast, as your confidence increases though you start going faster and leaning more.... but while you were still 'bimbling' you were probably wearing out onthe the middle bit of the tyre, so as you start to lean it further, you find a 'corner' you have worn on the tyre that was round, that makes it 'go all funny'....
And its hard as a newb, knowing whats what.
IS the wibbling as you cross banding or irregularities YOU? Is it the tyres? Is it the suspension?
COULD be any one or a combination of all three, and right now, BIGGEST variable is probably YOU!
Now, bikes shouldn't skip around under you, and I have to say, tyres tend to grip until they dont, and its as likely what you have FELT as a 'slide' and the bike slipping beneath you isn't necesserily the tyre loosing grip.
If a tyre looses grip it probably wont find it again, and you'll be on your ear KNOWING it 'let go'... nor grumbling that it feels a bit skittish.
Especially on a lightweight, becouse of 'inertia'... bikes get stability from inertia, speed times weight..... lightweights dont have much of either... hence tend to be less stable, and IF they go, they will go suddenly, and not give you such warning or time to do anything about it.
What you are more LIKELY to be 'feeling' is tyre creep or walk, where over iregulatrities, they carcass of the tyre flexes, and the tread will tilt in relation to the road, lifting until grip is reduced enough for it to slip... not the entire tyre but one tread block, in relation to another... so it 'slips' giving a little shimmy feel as the next block round comes down flat, giving full grip, until that gets tilted..... and the tyre 'walks' slightly sideways under the bike FEELING like its slipping, but not actually totally loosing grip.
Make sense?
Better, tyres with more stable construction hold the tread flatter, and allow less distortion in the tyre, so you dont get such effects....
'Feel' is totally transformed, and it FEELS like the bikes not 'sliding' around.... in truth, probably never was.
Now, Tyre pressure, can effect this alot, and manufacturers 'quoted' tyre pressures are only a reccomendation.
May be worth trying a psi or two more or less in either tyre, and seeing if that makes much difference.
And suspension... if the suspension isn't absorbing bump energy from road irregularities very well.... then puts a LOT more stress on the tyre.
Lightweight bikes, often dont have a lot of damping to begin with, and low cost machines, built down to a weight and a price, they tend not to use the best, longest lasting components.
Forks and rear shock absorbers are full of oil. To damp bumps, a plunger is forced through that oil. Thicker, more viscouse the oil is, more energy it absorbs. BUT over time, with use, that oil constantly churned up and forced to flow around the plunger, gets 'chopped up' frothed and boiled, and breaks down. Heavier particles sink to the bottom of the oil, lighter fractions float to the top, and the plunger is left working ever 'thinning' oil.... loosing damping effect.
In the manufacturers service schedules, actually reccomended to replace fork oil, which is more often hardest worked, the forks diving every time you brake.... every so many thousand miles, probably 5K, or every year..... and THAT is often neglected....
NOT a big job, or expensive, but can be scary, and can make a HUGE difference.
Rear dampers tend to be sealed for life on lower cost machines, and they might last 10K miles or three years without attension, but again, they DO get hard worked on learner bikes, from clumsy learners 'lurching' about on them, and may benefit from replacing sooner.
Without looking at the bike, or watching you ride, hard to say exactly whats going on. BUT.
Preventative maintenence rarely hurts. Look at the shocks look at the forks change the oil. Maybe check the steering bearings, grease and tighten.
Tyres, tyre pressure, and if you want, and can afford it, get a pair of reputable brand rubber. As said, Mitch Pilots or Pirelli Deamons are reputed to be the bees-knees, but I fit slightly harder wearing Mitch M45s to the lightweights.... I think that they are a slightly longer lasting, all weather tyre, and I haven't run out of grip on a pair yet, and I deck the pegs on the 125 Super-Dreams being daft with pillions on the back! That's good enough for me!
BUT, not tackling the biggest variable... YOU!
You say you have done CBT and 1400 miles.... ever had any post CBT training?
If so, you are paddling in the dark, and you will only learn from your own mistakes. Its a lot of miles, and you probably ought to be up to test standard with that many miles under your belt by now.... not having confidence issues over your tyres!
GET SOME TRAINING....
Get some-one else to check over your riding, see if its anything YOU are doing, or if it is all the bike......
And put in for your tests..... you CANT do more to nail that variable and get confidence than having the DSA clip-board bloke say "Yeah, I think your riding's pretty OK... here have a full licence...." can you? ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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I don't think stock YBR tyres are good at all from what i've heard
Get yourself some michelin pilot sportys
They are better tyres, and if nothing else it's a placebo for more confidence, although I may have just ruined it  ____________________ Fzr-600 1999 |
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hi, i bought a new ybr around 5 months ago, it is my only mode of transport and i have racked up near 5,000 miles on it already. the only word to describe the standard tyres on the ybr is 'shit'. i didnt trust them at all in the damp or wet conditions, i had the rear one changed for a michelin pilot sporty costing £60 fitted and the handling is so much better, never had it slide on me in 5,000 miles of riding in all conditions, going to get the front one done soon.
get some michelins fitted and you will see the difference and you will become alot more confident  ____________________ Current: 2005 Kawasaki Er-5 C5P
Past: 2012 Yamaha Ybr 125, 2004 Yamaha Neos 50, 1994 Suzuki Gn 125, 2005 Aprilia Sportcity 125, 1988 Yamaha Tzr 125
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | | tom_m wrote: | Theory: Passed... Mod 1: Passed... Mod 2: To Be Booked... |
Tom... ponder point for you.... rather than spending £60 on another tyre..... why not get that Mod 2 booked?
Will give you something that will give a lot more confidence, & last a hell of a lot more miles......
I mean, what's the point sticking new rubber on a 125 you could be flogging in a month?  |
once mod 2 is passed i shall be keeping the ybr until my 33bhp restriction is lifted (at least)...
reason being, i had my driving licence 'revoked' under the 'new drivers act' for totting up 6 points within my first two years of passing my car test, which unfortunately has a big effect on my bike insurance, im paying £370 a year on the ybr aged 21 with 6 points.
i did want a cbr 400 nc29 but the lowest insurance quote being £6,000 kind of put me off, tried quotes on everything, even non-sport bikes. its even just shy of £4,000 on a ybr 250  ____________________ Current: 2005 Kawasaki Er-5 C5P
Past: 2012 Yamaha Ybr 125, 2004 Yamaha Neos 50, 1994 Suzuki Gn 125, 2005 Aprilia Sportcity 125, 1988 Yamaha Tzr 125
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Slippy tyres therefore change bike?
Dunno what's on the YBR as stock. They get slated, but they'll change it to whatever's cheapest that day. I'd read dire warnings about the Kenda tyres fitted to the HN125, but mine came with Manlungs that were hard but worked OK <ObMod2InABlizzard>.
Since it's your only contact with the road, you may want to bite the bullet and put some quality rubber on the YBR. Although the money would really be better invested in your tests. 1400 is enough miles that you're more than ready to pass them: do iiiiit. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Check tread.
Check pressures.
Check to make sure tyres havn't squared off.
If the above fails MTFU, get out and ride some more, then some more until you MTFU.  |
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