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 Posted: 13:50 - 01 Nov 2012 Post subject: Opinions on helmet with pinlock and sun visor please... |
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Need a new helmet.
I prefer flip-front as I wear glasses. Just find it easier and I know all the pros and cons, noise, etc. over full face.
So, I've found the Caberg Duke for £145 (via GetGeared, store local to me so I can try on, may be cheaper elsewhere).
This meets my need for pinlock fitted (I like pinlock) and a sun visor. Plus I can fit flat headphones as it's designed for a bluetooth headset.
https://www.getgeared.co.uk/Caberg_duke_flip-up_helmet_metal-white_l.jpg
It appears as an added bonus should I wish to be silly in summer I can wear it locked in the up position
So, anyone got any comments on this helmet. Fit, noise, fogging, wear and tear, etc.
Or any suggestions for any other flip-front in the same price ballpark with pinlock fitted and visor?
Thanks in anticipation  ____________________ ...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
Gibbs, what did Duckie look like when he was younger? 
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If it turns out to be crap for wearing on the bike, you could always get yourself some white body armour and use it as part of a stormtrooper outfit  ____________________ 1st bike (Sept'06 - May'10) : 1991 GPZ500S / Current bike (since Nov 2009) : 2003 Suzuki Bandit 600N
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To me Cabergs always feel to have a lot of room in front of my face, which may suit if you wear glasses. The downside is that the flip-front I had (don't recall the model name, but no longer on sale so perhaps not an issue anymore) was INCREDIBLY noisy; Unbelievably so.  ____________________ MV Agusta Brutale 800 RR, Unfinished 1978 XS250 |
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The Duke is relatively new, so don't take this as gospel, but the previous model Caberg Konda that I tried was a big, heavy lump of a thing.
In the end, I got a Nitro F341-vn, which is very similar in features and comedy Lego Man size as the Konda, but cost £50. No problems with it so far. I wear earplugs so I can't really speak to the noise. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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 Posted: 17:20 - 01 Nov 2012 Post subject: |
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Ditto the Nitro, granted a pin lock is £20 on top, but still a chap helmet!
I also had a Konda (Or it may have been a Trip!) which was awful, too heavy, very noisy and the lining gave way too quickly for my liking!
I hane a Nolan N90 now, Very nice helmet! Quite quiet for a flip, but good and light, strong closure mechanism, and doesnt look too different to a full face! With the intro of the N104, I have nitices N103s have dropped in price quite quickly, and are a model above the N90 - Just dont get a classic model as these are pinlock ready, not fitted! |
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Re fit: get yourself to a shop and try it on obviously.
I've done about 15k miles in the Konda, very similar to the Duke (according to this, the Duke was redesigned to reduce weight and noise, and to make riding with the front flipped up legal). It (the Konda) has no ventilation configuration options, and is a bit "pokey" (i.e. it has slightly pointy bits) in where it sits on my head. On the other hand, with the small-size cheekpads (I bought separately) in the medium-size helmet, it fits my face more securely than its replacement, the C3.
In terms of noise, it's slightly louder than my C3, which is allegedly one of the quietest helmets on the market. Noise is heavily dependent on where your head is in the airstream as I'm sure you know. And if Duke is redesigned to reduce noise, I personally wouldn't worry about it, but would still wear earplugs on a long high-speed ride.
One thing I like best about the Konda over and above the C3 is the extra length of the Konda at the front (and the Duke is shaped the same); it comes down further and stops my neck (and thus balaclava or neck tube) from getting wet nearly as quickly as the C3. Thinking of popping over to Ireland next week, and am seriously considering wearing the Konda instead of the C3, even without pinlock, simply because of the neck protection. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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| barrkel wrote: | Duke was redesigned to reduce weight and noise, and to make riding with the front flipped up legal |
Just as an aside, while I agree that they're (likely) had it ECE tested both open and closed, I don't believe that there's anything in the existing statute that actually makes it illegal to ride with a flip front open.
All that it says is that the helmet has to be BSI or ECE marked - or can be reasonably believed to offer a similar level of protection - and that it has to be securely fastened to the head. Really, that's it.
FWIW, T.C said the same thing, and that is his day job. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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It's not answer for the question but I would recommend contact lenses.
Riding a bike was the main reason I switched to contacts.
So much better. More comfortable. Safer. Looks better.
It may be even cheaper as I broke 1 frame because of helmet.
Monthly lenses are cheap and last way longer if taken care of them.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | barrkel wrote: | Duke was redesigned to reduce weight and noise, and to make riding with the front flipped up legal |
Just as an aside, while I agree that they're (likely) had it ECE tested both open and closed, I don't believe that there's anything in the existing statute that actually makes it illegal to ride with a flip front open.
All that it says is that the helmet has to be BSI or ECE marked - or can be reasonably believed to offer a similar level of protection - and that it has to be securely fastened to the head. Really, that's it.
FWIW, T.C said the same thing, and that is his day job. |
The flip front lids are not tested with the front open, as such it is illegal to ride that way. (Despite the fact that the police do it all the time).
Riding with the front open invalidates any ECE ratings and this renders the helmet illegal for road use, incurring a £30.00 fine (no points). ~May even be a £60.00 fine now, it may have gone up since I stopped instructing~
It is nothing to do with face protection or lock rigidity or any of those myths.
It is simply because, if a rider should come off with the front open and land face first, upon contact with the ground the open front will force the head back at an extreme angle and is quite likely break the riders neck.
This is the kind of neck break that causes instant death.
The obvious exceptions to this are the helmets like of the Roof Boxxer helmet, where the chin guard goes right over the top of the helmet to the back, these ARE tested with the front open and shut. ____________________ Eurotrip 2009
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| Sir Black Pig wrote: | Riding with the front open invalidates any ECE ratings and this renders the helmet illegal for road use |
With genuine respect and interest: why?
Do you know of any case law? The Motor Cycles (Protective Helmets) Regulations 1998 don't mention it, and make no distinction.
| Sir Black Pig wrote: | The obvious exceptions to this are the helmets like of the Roof Boxxer helmet, where the chin guard goes right over the top of the helmet to the back, these ARE tested with the front open and shut. |
As is (apparently) the Caberg Duke, which doesn't flip right over. And yet they're claiming that it passed in both configurations.
So, flip fronts can be tested in both open and flipped up (not over) configurations. There are also ECE approved 'jet style' helmets that boast non-structural chin bars. Is it safe to assume that they were tested and approved as open face helmets, since ECE does have a chin bar impact test?
So... on what basis would I believe that my Nitro was tested in the closed configuration (or only in that configuration)? If I were Nitro, I'd happily test it open, so as to skip the chin impact test.
It's not marked on it, there was no documentation with it, no warnings about it, nothing. How could I know how it was tested? By reading Caberg's marketing claims and making an inference?
And more to the point, how could a copper, or the Procurator Fiscal know, and then prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the helmet wasn't approved in that configuration, and even if so, that I couldn't have "reasonably expected" that it offered a "similar" level of protection to a helmet that was so approved, e.g. a Duke. Looks the same to me, mine is ECE marked, and I've got nothing from Nitro hinting otherwise. Reasonable, yes?
Bear in mind that the actual requirement is for a "British Standard 6658:1985 (amended)" marking, so I'm already making an assumption that the ECE 22.05 marking on it is "equivalent" to that BS standard.
tl;dr version: personally I have absolutely no concerns about the risk of being convicted of an offence for riding with a helmet flipped up. It's certainly conceivable, but it doesn't seem in the least bit probable.
I do now clearly understood the reason why I shouldn't, though. Thanks for that.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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