S59 - again!

[mentalboy]

This debate on other threads appears to have ruffled a few feathers.
There is currently an abysmally worded e-petition on the government site.

https://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/34148

If those interested would care to suggest any additions to the following (preferably ideas that I can use!), then I will submit a new one along these lines.
I'll give it a day or two for alterations/tweaks and then submit it to our friends in Government. It could also be used to lobby your local MP and for those interested in the four wheel scene maybe you'd like to hit the relevant forums with it. We can have an impact on this type of legislation - but only if you're prepared to click a few buttons.

[MarJay]

Take out the bit about loud exhausts... Otherwise good work!
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[mentalboy]

[map]

As said in the other thread on S59 I think the petition wording can be used as a draft for a letter to peoples local MP? I'm saying that for the sick, lame and lazy who would just copy and paste into an email!

Contact your MP via Write To Them

The current Home Secretary is Theresa May - she can be contacted via

[mentalboy]

point taken.
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[Rogerborg]

Since we're repeating ourselves, I'll just copy-pasta:

To be honest, the only realistic ways of challenging it are:
Judical Review (got £50K or so lying around?)
A civil case against a Force that loses in County and then wins in the Court of Appeal, in order to set a citable precedent.
Get the AA, RAC, MAG, BMF, IAM, Uncle Tom Cobley and All onboard, mount a noisy campaign based on some silver haired granny with some cute grandkids on board being done for being "inconsiderate" and "annoying" by driving too carefully[*].
Find a Cabinet minister's son, complain to plod about him chavving around, get his dad's car impounded. That should get it sorted in short order.

[*] Concrete examples of abuse, with names and dates, would carry much more weight than speculation. But facts won't really come into it, not at the level where it needs to be changed, so feel free to make some up. It happens all the time in politics, it's called "theoretical case studies".

Bear in mind that S59 doesn't extend North of the border, so I'm all right, Jack.
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[mentalboy]

[mentalboy]

Got bored, so I've submitted this to the e-petitions site, they have to scrutinise it which may take a week before it goes public. (Had to abbreviate it somewhat thanks to a 1000 character maximum )

I'm going to send the longer version to my local MP, and those within the transport department. If anyone can be bothered to do the same with their local MP it could make all the difference.

[Rogerborg]

[mentalboy]

Well that's emails to my MP, the Secretary of State for Transport (Justine Greening), The Under-Secretary (Norman Baker) and Mike Penning MP (new MAG member).
If you are going to email them just personalise each one by addressing each one individually.

Justine Greening - greeningj@parliament.uk
Norman Baker - info@normanbaker.org.uk
Mike Penning - mike@penning4hemel.com

I've got the ball rolling so it's up to you lot to support it, if of course you give a toss.

Miss Greening has actually sent what looks like a personalised 'I'll look into it'
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[Kris]

[mentalboy]

Well here it is:
https://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/37368

Time to get those keyboards clicking all those of you out there remotely concerned about the implications of getting issued with an S59.

I've had a response from my MP basically saying that he's asked for more info from the DofT.
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[andy_uk]

Signed
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[kotachi]

Yup same
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[Pete.]

They should use S59 for non-road-registered vehicles, and road traffic legislation for registered vehicles.
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[groovylee]

signed
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[mentalboy]

They shouldn't be allowed to use S59 in it's current format fullstop.

In replying to my MP when he disagreed with my point that this Act can result in a more severe penalty than driving without due care, drunk driving etc (He'd said that you can get 14 years for D&D driving, to which I told him that if you happen to kill a biker it's more like 12 months, suspended for 2 years and a 3 month ban!). I said that should I wish to have a piccy of Prince Harry enjoying himself painted on my tank it could (and in my opinion should) be deemed as liable to cause offence to the general public and that if it was spotted on two close but separate occasions I could have the bike confiscated - despite the fact that a two-bit tabloid can splash it across their front page. Anticipating the response!!
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[Fruit'n'nut]

[Bubbs]

signed and shared on FB
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[dungbug]

Signed & shared also.
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[daemonoid]

[Rob W]

Signed.


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[mentalboy]

Well the sigs aren't moving, pretty much as you predicted Rogerborg.
I have received this from the home office today.

[bazza]

Nice.

[salty21]

signed, just waiting to validate it once the email arrives. Says it may take a few hours, probably why the sigs are not increasing just yet
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