no helmets, less deaths

[ocatoro]

not sure if this is a horrific and massively gay repost.

but i saw someone on here on about how helmets remove our faces and thus cause people not to see us.

then i saw this about there being less deaths after allowing riders to not wear lids.

yay or nay?
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[kernow24]

Complete non story.. where the data has been manipulated to fit the needs of the 'biker group'

so many things wrong with their pool of data that they have based their opinion on..

They use the first half of the year.. have you seen michigan duing this time.. the majority of it is covered in snow and ice.. you know when its cold and miserable when im sure a good proportion of bikers haven't cracked their bikes out of winter storage yet.. and those that have been riding through the bad weather will probably be a bit more aware of the usefulness of a helmet..

I wonder how high the figures got during the summer.. or have they only used the first 6 months because after that it shows an increase of deaths?

A decrease of 4 deaths is hardly something you can shout about, and say one thing made these 4 less deaths happen, there could have been 4 less deaths for many reasons.. you can hardly link it to helmet use, it could quite as easily be contributed to say, a few extra days of rain during that period..

They make no mention of how many of the deaths came from those who did or didn't wear helmets, or whether the wearing or not wearing of a helmet contributed towards the death.

The law only came in to effect in April 2012.. yet they are using data for 4 months prior to the law coming in to force to some how make their point that there was less deaths due to non helmet use.. it makes no sense.. they could have compared data for between April and say September..

Its also too close to the new law coming in to force to make any comparisons.. how many riders who have been riding for the required 2 years would simply ditch their helmets and start riding around just because a new law says they can? id say very few.

Complete bollocks if you ask me.. but it would be good to see next years data.. even though other states that have brought in similar laws have seen an increase of deaths..
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[pinkyfloyd]

As far as I am aware the majority of motorcycle accidents do not involve another vehicle so not wearing a lid might well increase the number of deaths.

Just look at the BCF crash thread, the majority of BCF posters who fell off done so all by themselves. Now this is just a small section of the UK bikers. Imagine that multiplied.
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[Rogerborg]

Anyone who falls for that doesn't have anything worth protecting with a helmet in the first place.
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[yaigi]

Not this again...
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[Alpha-9]

If you didn't have to wear a helmet, would you?

I certainly would
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[karidian]

Ive had 3 offs. One i hit a car head on after failing to make it round a corner. The other two were a lowside and a highside respectively while on a particular stretch of road on my way to work.
All 3 have resulted in damage to my helmet. I credit wearing one with having saved my life particularly in the first crash so for me i wouldnt consider riding without one even if it wasnt mandatory.
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[DoubleSided]

I don't understand why you WOULDN'T want to wear one. I've always thought it's common sense to protect your head - even if I had the choice NOT to I'd still wear one.

Better safe than sorry etc...

[Skudd]

One way of reducing deaths on the road is Shared Space. It seems to work for most people in the urban enviroment.
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[DoubleSided]

Does that actually work though?

[Dazbo666]

Only ever had one "off" involving a bike. It happened to be off-road, from a mountainbike, but even at that relatively slow speed, the lid was severely dented, and I'm 100% convinced that the lid saved my life that day.

As already mentioned, even if the choice was open to the rider, I'd still be using mine
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[Paivi]

The important point here is that it's 'fewer', not 'less'.

As you were, you can go back to wearing your helmets or polishing them, or whatever you enjoy doing.
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[bikertomm]

What a fucking load of wank,

and I didn't even read it...
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[c_dug]

And I get that all of that may seem like a normal day, but honestly on that road each thing happens over 9000 times a minute.

God damn bedlam.

Fucking road should be removed from the universe.
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[Zen Dog]

If you really think lack of a visible face is a problem, just get one of these -

https://www.carzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/valentino_rossi_helmet_05.jpg
Or wear an open face lid...

Neither require not wearing a helmet. I'm all for making not wearing a lid legal though. Darwinism at its best. I'd still wear one 99.8% of the time. But for that 0.2% of the time, it has to be said, not wearing a lid feels amazing. Its so stupid, but its still true.

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[daemonoid]

[neilninja]

[Flatbadger]

[supZ]

when i read this i immediately thought of this story

https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/us-biker-dies-in-anti-helmet-protest/18471.html
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[Walloper]

"The group did not provide any information on what percentage of riders are not wearing helmets."

Aye right!!!

Wankers.
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