Event Data Recorder (EDRs) on new Versys

[Kris]

So the new Versys 1000 comes with a black box that records wheel speeds, engine speed, gear, and throttle position as you ride, much like new cars.

If the bike is involved in an accident then Kawasaki UK will release the access codes to the police to help unlock the data. Dealers will not have access to the information.

Kawasaki have decided to let owners know by printing two brief sentances on page 68 of the owners manual. I'd wager most owners haven't the foggiest their new bike has this feature.

So, do you approve of this?
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[P.]

No.

It would be removed otherwise I wouldn't buy it

[Knightsy]

Hell no.
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[pinkyfloyd]

It should be an optional extra with the guaranteed insurance discount for having it installed. But you should be given the choice.

Its basically them saying "We've created a bike that can break the speed limits with ease and we're not trusting you to ride within the limits set out by your country."

If you dont trust us to ride your high powered bikes at silly speeds then dont fucking make them!
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[banditjohn]

Absolutely not Too much like big brother yet again

[covent.gardens]

No way.
I would not pay for a machine that could incriminate me in the event of an accident.

[.Chris.]

Most certainly don't approve . Is it just the Versys 1000 that has this 'black box' or are other Kawasaki models affected too?

Would never buy a Versys 1000 in any case, but if I was thinking of doing so, I wouldn't after hearing this, unless there was a means of permanently disconnecting it.
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[Rogerborg]

They seem to have anticipated Nanny Brussels a touch.

I am also in agreement with the sentiment that "If you want my money, then that piece of crap will be in a baggie when I pick the bike up, so that I can smash hell out of it myself."

Incidentally, let MCN and VisorDown know, will you? This sort of thing needs to be dragged out into cold light of day. Or better yet, a microwave.
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[Polarbear]

Do MAG know? Think I might drop them an e-mail. Can anyone find a link that is 100% trustable or a scan of said page on the manual?
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[lihp]

Hmmm, interesting idea.

Especially considering the amount of exaggeration of motorcycle speed by witnesses at a traffic incident.

It is something that could prove your innocence or discredit/disprove a witness.

But, it also does not take into account road or traffic conditions either.

[bikertomm]

No +1
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[Shinigami]

hell no, would not want that on a bike, would definately stop me from purchasing if i was in the market.
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I reckon they'll also release data to the police if you don't have an accident, but they do 'suspect' you may have been braking the law.

[.Chris.]

Presumably (Roger will be along in a sec...) the police or a court would have the power to require it to be released if they were investigating a crime. Even if they don't, I doubt Kawasaki UK would put up much resistance to a bit of persuasion by the authorities.
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[Notj7]

How about the flip side - you buy the bike and modify the box with some sort of reset switch - wipe the data in the event that you accidentally hit the well concealed button after a crash that may have been your fault.

Actually I keep thinking about this with helmet cameras - if the police say they want to see your recording, how about a delete button that just wipes everything?
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[Walloper]

Coz Kawasaki can't win Moto GP they want to spoil motorbiking for the rest of us. Baaaastarts.
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[t121anf]

aren't these things in cars already?

sure a colleague at work told me loads of data is held in the key of his BMW Mini (he's left now so can't ask)

and also that when the Civic Type R was released and people started blowing engines by going through the gearbox wrongly, the data was in the ECU for them to get out of a warranty claim.

the above could of course all be bollocks i've mis-remembered

[_Iain_]

Yeah that can fuck off.

Or at least be as easily removed as the ignition keys...i.e if i know i was doing something wrong something USB stick sized could be unplugged from the back of the clocks by a helpful bystander.
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[Al]

If it was only used in the event of an accident to determine blame I wouldn't have too much of a problem with it. Too often people try and worm out of insurance claims by saying the other person was speeding or changed lane ect. At least with some kind of tracking back up the result is likely to be more fair.

If it is just to give the police an easier time gathering evidence of offences then it would be pretty shit, although the Versys is hardly a hooligans bike so maybe they'd have been better off fitting it on some of their sportier bikes.
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[Nick 50]

Does it have some type of GPS tracking on it so it knows the speeds the rider is doing relative to the road they are on?

What happens if someone does a trackday? Then at a future date if it is passed over to the Police, they would wet themselves with the speeds done on a trackday.
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[Acemastr]

Can I have access to this information? I fancy having a pretty awesome graph of my totally insane ride round the twisties

Agree with the reset switch, wonder how it copes with the battery being disconnected, it must have a finite amount of storage to keep it all on.
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