UKIP, EU, and information i don't know?

[TUG]

Just sat watching TV after college and all this bollocks about the EU popped up. I don't know anything about the EU situation so thought i'd ask?

The GF's mum, who is quick to go on about immigrants taking jobs and all that bullshit and lies, starts tellin me it was to open boarders to allow immigrants in to take all our benefits... Obviously my open mind disagrees with this and wanted to learn about it.

I don't understand why we are part of it if we get nothing in return? Surely we reap some benefit?
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[Flatbadger]

The EU was originally an organisation to coordinate coal and steel prices, look at it now! The law change regarding tests in January for example did not eminate from this country, so we're under the yoke of a foreign power and nobody asked if this was OK.

As for what's good for Britain, I don't think politicians have this in their list of priorities. Your GF's mum is right to be cynical but the blame definitely lies with the politicians, not the immigrants. They want a better life for themselves as we all do. Make life better in their countries and they'll prefer to stay with their families and friends on the whole.
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[stinkwheel]

The EU was a very sucessful plot on behalf of the French and Spanish governments to access and pillage the UK offshore cod fisheries.


Hint. Britain joined the EEC in 1973.
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[TUG]

Thanks for the points made, i know that biking has been effected by our eu involvement but doesn't open border let us drive over there without hassle? Either way it's not very justified.

Still, if we get fuck all from it, why are we still part of it?
Why cant we bog it off?
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[GrumpyGuts]

[Rogerborg]

[Charlie]

The European union is exactly what it says, a union of european countries. The EU is meant to allow easy trading between nations to increase the strength of Europe. The idea is that by working together, us smaller European countries have a bigger impact in world business, politics, trade, research, culture etc.

In some senses it has worked, the most obvious is that you can travel in Europe easily. Business can trade easier, rich nations have helped remove poverty from countries like Spain, Italy and Greece.

But the consequence of all this fuzzy loving togetherness means that you need common laws to stop certain countries having advantages over others. This results in shite like power train restrictions, ill thought out motorbike tests, a ban on battery chicken farming which seems to be only enforced by certain countries, i.e. the UK.

A European union could have some real advantages. Unfortunately it seems to be heavily influenced by businesses who spend millions lobbying MEPs so that can get laws changed to meet their requirements. It's understandable really, why lobby one countries MPs when you could get a better return by changing across all the EU countries.[/i]
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[.Chris.]

Important to remember is that while it's always been sold as a mostly economic thing in this country, it isn't, and that's not how it's sold just about everywhere else in Europe. The explicitly stated aim is to bring about 'ever closer union' in Europe. That it's largely unworkable, hugely undemocratic and not even wanted by a large proportion of people is seen as a minor inconvenience.
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[stinkwheel]

One very important point is it was the European Economic Community when we joined and that's what it was put across as.

Now it's the European Union and we (the British public) do not appear to have been consulted on this fundamental change in identity and direction at any point.
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[Rogerborg]

[Im-a-Ridah]

Further to what Rogerborg said, the "European Parliament" is not really a proper Parliament. Everything comes from the Commission, the Parliament can vote for minor ammendments, but other than that, they just read their votes from the sheet.

There are some people who actually still believe the EU is about helping them! How they've managed to convince themselves of this, I'm not quite sure.

Farage is great, but there are others e.g Godfrey Bloom. The customary Youtube videos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXnsqB8-o4g

[stinkwheel]

[U_W v2.0]

its my general oppinion that the EU has grown to big for its own good.

it holds to much power over things it has no business sticking its nose in.

example: motorcycle licensing.

at what point does the EU's original goals have any impact on motorcycle licensing?

okay, make trading easier, travelling between countries easier blah blah blah but im sorry, they interfear in matters that has nothing to do with their original goals.

its also my oppinion that this country should do the following 2 things:

1) remove the EU from our business or restrict its ability to impact things that are nothing to do with trading and a "closer europe"

2) OBLITERATE the current government, i mean rip it to shreds, fire the frigging lot of them! rebuild the government from the ground up giving them an hourly rate the same as any other job. given the pressure of the job then something like £8/£9 an hour should be right. by all means, a yearly bonus based on performance ect. take away their various funds. DONT let them claim back expenses like toilet roll or house payments. keep their income at a level rate. so they have a PERMANENT reminder of what its like to be a member of the general public.

of course, that will NEVER happen but one can dream.
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[Mac_Black]

3. Police, if constabularies across the entire country could undergo such a complete overhaul as suggested for the government (in point 2.)
Then they could have a new force who really do serve to protect and represent and respect the wishes of the people that consent to be policed.
Entry requirements would be allot stricter, based on psychological, aptitude and intelligence testing and some form of vetting would seem to improve standards too...
The police as individual officers and as a combined force would have to be shown to treat people impartially as much as can be reasonably expected, and in case of any investigations or prosecutions then statements and evidence accrued should all be put forward in full, no matter how significant they 'deem' it to be so that the Judge/Jury/Magistrates may be presented with the full context of a picture rather than a skewed slant put across by a corrupt and target driven CPS.
The Police would have many less powers and have to enforce many less 'laws' and 'acts' meaning that they could keep their snouts out of civil matters, stop telling people where they can go or what they can say... The way in which they Police the roads would be more balanced and fair with a greater eye cast over driving standards with the emphasis on improvement thereof.. less punitive measures and more encouragement to use common sense or their discression to deal with matters.
Internal affairs would be dealt with allot more seriously with no leniency allowable, so that way nobody can try to be above the same laws they enforce.. no more Judge bloody Dredds.
I think that someone should only wish to be in the Police if they have the genuine and sole intention of protecting and supporting their community.. I don't believe, or believe that they should believe that the law is ever worth upholding above the needs of the community first. People come first, life comes first, not a rule, not a property, not an interest.

[Rogerborg]

[TUG]

So basically, if i've read this right, we the public as a whole don't want it, but they, the suits, do for wrong reasons or reasons of their own interest and not ours?

Is there anything we can do to change this or is it granted 99% of the UK couldnt give a shit so nothing will happen?
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Haz ER-5, innit!

[Rogerborg]

Vote UKIP. Convince others to vote UKIP.

You're throwing your vote away, of course. Even if UKIP ever did become a significant force, it will turn out that they're actually happy enough with their snouts in the trough. Beats working for a living, right?

Object to the dictats and ignore the implementations, is about the best that we can do.
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[daemonoid]

[Im-a-Ridah]

[Skudd]

I'm just glad I'm English and as such am not part of Europe. Oh wait................. bugger........ When did that big bit of water between us and Europeland dry up?
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[.Chris.]

The point is that because they (rest of the EU) sell us a lot more than we sell them, if we were to leave it's inconceivable that a good free trade agreement wouldn't follow. I can't see the Germans, French, etc, denying themselves access to what is (in European terms) a large, wealthy market.

Freedom to work in other countries works fine between countries of a similar level of economic development. Pre-2004, net migration from the 14 other EU states was running at less than 10,000 per year. We all know what happened afterwards. I'd be perfectly happy to continue free movement between the old EU-15, as the migration largely balances itself out, which isn't the case (for Britain at least) in the EU-27.
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[Rogerborg]