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PostPosted: 12:58 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: 2 female police officers killed. Compare and contrast... Reply with quote

The behaviour of the senior police over Hillsborough cover up and the two female officers killed on a routine call in Manchester.

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BBC News wrote:
Two female police officers have died during a police operation in Tameside, Greater Manchester, police said.

Police said both officers suffered fatal injuries during a "routine operation" in Hattersley.

A witness close to the scene at Abbey Gardens reported hearing 13 gunshots and an explosion.

Police said Dale Cregan had been arrested at a police station in connection with the officers' deaths and two previous murders...


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Sympathy to the families who expected their loved ones home after a day's work.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your police still go unarmed?

we have about 100 police killed on duty each year. Used to be higher but the police remilitarised a few years ago.

Senseless. and 2 female cops walk into an empty building alone and unarmed? It seems like the UK police has been caught out and found wanting a few times recently. The Tomlinson thing and now this....Their training doesnt seem adequate to how society is changing.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I struggle to believe that any police officer would be allowed to be anywhere near an operation like this . Without a firearm.

This bloke was wanted for double murder and lobbing a hand grenade at one of his possible victims and they send 2 unarmed female police officers .

No matter what happened this was really badly handled and who ever was in charge should resign but doubt that will happen.

who ever pulled the trigger should hang.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesnt say the cops were called out because the suspect was inside. It says a routine call out. Perhaps someone heard something and called the cops suspecting vagrants in an empty house.

Even still, the wisdom fo sending 2 unarmed females is questionable.

It looks like he had an 'accident in the shower' since walking into the police station.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronin wrote:
I struggle to believe that any police officer would be allowed to be anywhere near an operation like this . Without a firearm.

This bloke was wanted for double murder and lobbing a hand grenade at one of his possible victims and they send 2 unarmed female police officers .

No matter what happened this was really badly handled and who ever was in charge should resign but doubt that will happen.

who ever pulled the trigger should hang.




You're making more than a few assumptions there, with next to no knowledge of the reported nature of the incident.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kradmelder wrote:
Your police still go unarmed?

we have about 100 police killed on duty each year. Used to be higher but the police remilitarised a few years ago.

Senseless. and 2 female cops walk into an empty building alone and unarmed? It seems like the UK police has been caught out and found wanting few times recently ....Their training doesnt seem adequate to how society is changing.



OTOH, there's been 18 (I think) police officers killed on duty in the UK in the last decade.
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronin wrote:
I struggle to believe that any police officer would be allowed to be anywhere near an operation like this . Without a firearm.

This bloke was wanted for double murder and lobbing a hand grenade at one of his possible victims and they send 2 unarmed female police officers .

No matter what happened this was really badly handled and who ever was in charge should resign but doubt that will happen.

who ever pulled the trigger should hang.



BBC (Sir Peter Fahy - Chief Constable) wrote:

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Sir Peter Fahy says Dale Cregan was in a house overnight and has either himself - or someone else has - made a call to police about a burglary. When the two officers arrived he killed the two officers.

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PostPosted: 15:30 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Ronin wrote:
I struggle to believe that any police officer would be allowed to be anywhere near an operation like this . Without a firearm.

This bloke was wanted for double murder and lobbing a hand grenade at one of his possible victims and they send 2 unarmed female police officers .

No matter what happened this was really badly handled and who ever was in charge should resign but doubt that will happen.

who ever pulled the trigger should hang.



BBC (Sir Peter Fahy - Chief Constable) wrote:

1556:

Sir Peter Fahy says Dale Cregan was in a house overnight and has either himself - or someone else has - made a call to police about a burglary. When the two officers arrived he killed the two officers.


The story has been changed! much more info now
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tragic events.

The two officers were attending a simple burglary call, nothing linked the wanted man to the address, nor was the phone used to call linked to the man. He knew what he was doing, it's a simple trap, the man is evil, having already killed two civilians in an apparent family war. No sentence in our legal system is severe enough for a quadruple murderer, all if which were premeditated and severe.

The question of arming all police is a simple one, it shouldn't happen. We don't have as many guns readily available as the US for example, there is no need for it. Once all police are armed it will be a case of who has the bigger gun between the police and offenders and that isn't a good society to live in.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt it would have made much difference if they were armed. If it was a trap they'd have been dead before they got a chance to return fire.
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:47 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case anyone is unclear on the motivation, I'd guess that the animal reckoned that he was going down for life anyway, and wanted the (ostensible) prison cachet of being a cop killer.

So now he's going down as a girl cop killer. Big man, I hope he gets brain fucked in that eye socket by Denzil the Donkey from D Wing.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only difference having these officers armed would have made would be to provide the gunman with two free, well maintained, high quality hanguns and 4 spare mazagines.
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cromwell wrote:
Tragic events.

The two officers were attending a simple burglary call, nothing linked the wanted man to the address, nor was the phone used to call linked to the man. He knew what he was doing, it's a simple trap, the man is evil, having already killed two civilians in an apparent family war. No sentence in our legal system is severe enough for a quadruple murderer, all if which were premeditated and severe.

The question of arming all police is a simple one, it shouldn't happen. We don't have as many guns readily available as the US for example, there is no need for it. Once all police are armed it will be a case of who has the bigger gun between the police and offenders and that isn't a good society to live in.

Why not arm the police? ALL Northern Ireland (U.K) police officers are armed 24/7 on and off duty so why not the rest of the U.K considering N.I has the lowest crime rate?
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFS:-

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/18/article-0-15149666000005DC-836_634x603.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonzoomer wrote:

Why not arm the police? ALL Northern Ireland (U.K) police officers are armed 24/7 on and off duty so why not the rest of the U.K considering N.I has the lowest crime rate?


Yes, lets give the bullies from school, not only powers of arrest, but also firearms so they can shoot dead innocent people by accident.

It only takes one complete scum bag like Simon Harwood to take a life. Imagine how many more would be taken if you armed the Pigs.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

computid wrote:
moonzoomer wrote:

Why not arm the police? ALL Northern Ireland (U.K) police officers are armed 24/7 on and off duty so why not the rest of the U.K considering N.I has the lowest crime rate?


Yes, lets give the bullies from school, not only powers of arrest, but also firearms so they can shoot dead innocent people by accident.

It only takes one complete scum bag like Simon Harwood to take a life. Imagine how many more would be taken if you armed the Pigs.


I'm agreeing with computid Shocked , lol
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonzoomer wrote:
Why not arm the police? ALL Northern Ireland (U.K) police officers are armed 24/7 on and off duty so why not the rest of the U.K considering N.I has the lowest crime rate?

I think due to the ongoing trouble experienced in NI over the years it would be irresponsible to not arm the police there. Whereas mainland England doesn't have the same problems.

Also a lot of police officers wouldn't want the responsibility of carrying around a firearm on duty at all times, the risk that they may have to take someone's life.

computid wrote:
lets give the bullies from school, not only powers of arrest, but also firearms so they can shoot dead innocent people by accident.

Isn't the stereotype that it's in fact the bullied from school that join the police ?
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

arming the police isn't the issue
this was a setup aimed at killing two innocent people which he accomplished
the fact he turned himself in and didn't go on a killing spree is a blessing
he knew he was going down for life why not take out a cop station with a grenade

hope he rot's in hell, he killed for the sake of killing another 2 humans
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 18 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only reason this piece of scum handed himself in at the police station is down to the fact that he is a total fucking coward, who knew that if he didn't he would have found himself in an armed siege situation and could have been hurt or killed himself.

Nothing I can think of can be a bad enough punishment for this utter piece of shit.
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As much as it's clear that this guy is scum and patently isn't going to get the punishment he deserves in this country, I can't help but wince at that MP calling for the death penalty for those that kill coppers. That's one slippery slope right there, what about the other two people that were murdered, do they and their families not have the same right to justice?
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The local paper in Stalybridge had that scum bag on their front page a couple of weeks ago with a warning of, if you see him basically run fast and far and ring the rozzers.
They have a wonderful way with words. He's a total coward, killing two innocent police officer. I don't like how the media is distinguishing a difference between women and men coppers, it seems they have the angle of, it's coppers and they're both women, double horror.

Poor dears. RIP
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

snoosnoo wrote:
I don't like how the media is distinguishing a difference between women and men coppers, it seems they have the angle of, it's coppers and they're both women, double horror.



Reminded me of the scene from Ghost Dog where the (dying) gangster Vinny kills a female copper who pulls them over:

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Louie: Jesus, Vinny. You just iced a woman, you know that?
Vinny: You know what you are, Louie? You're a fuckin' male chauvinist pig.
Louie: What do you mean, I'm a male chauvinist pig? You just shot a broad.
Vinny: A cop. I just shot a cop. They wanna be equal? I made her equal.

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PostPosted: 10:25 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Give police guns, not just a bit of plastic', says brother of PC David Rathband


Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2205389/Dale-Cregan-Brother-PC-David-Rathband-widower-PC-Sharon-Beshenivsky-demand-officers-armed.html#ixzz26zxltx8m


Would not have made a difference with that case either.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seb wrote:
I can't help but wince at that MP calling for the death penalty for those that kill coppers. That's one slippery slope right there, what about the other two people that were murdered, do they and their families not have the same right to justice?

I hate to tell you, but coppers are worth more in law. See Police Act 1996, Section 89 (1).

Assaulting anyone who "provides a service to the public" is an established aggravating factor in sentencing, with custody assumed as a starting point. CPS guidelines state a public interest factor in prosecuting.

There's no pretence about it: Them are worth more than Us.

If you just meant that it was a slippery slope to the death penalty, well, I'd call it a start.
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