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PostPosted: 06:48 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Home brew suggestions? Reply with quote

The tobacco thread has put me back in mind of something I've wanted to try for a while: home brewing alcohol. I'm just looking for some suggestions on what to brew. I'd like it to be:

- Not too complicated (first timer)
- Not needing too much equipment (small student flat)
- Strong enough to have a party around once its finished

Home brew beer doesn't seem like it would be very strong, and I wouldn't have many people willing to share some wine with me. I looked at vodka but it seems quite complicated and not advisable for a total amateur.

Any suggestions guys?
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PostPosted: 07:49 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

kits like these are pretty easy to do and probably about the strongest you can make without a still

https://www.classicliquors.com/
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PostPosted: 08:00 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Home brew suggestions? Reply with quote

Quickly wrote:
The tobacco thread has put me back in mind of something I've wanted to try for a while: home brewing alcohol. I'm just looking for some suggestions on what to brew. I'd like it to be:

- Not too complicated (first timer)
- Not needing too much equipment (small student flat)
- Strong enough to have a party around once its finished

Home brew beer doesn't seem like it would be very strong, and I wouldn't have many people willing to share some wine with me. I looked at vodka but it seems quite complicated and not advisable for a total amateur.

Any suggestions guys?


What do you normally drink?

You can make a 5/6% beer if strength is your thing, similarly most wine kits can get into the low teens without many issues. Spirits (anything over about 15%) require distilling to concentrate the alcohol content, this is expensive, potentially dangerous and as far as I am aware riddled with laws in the UK (tax duty for example and getting a licence for a small homemade still is probably near on impossible).

A beer or wine kit would be the best start, after that you can experiment with using raw ingredients for the beer and different types of wines. My old man used to brew wine a lot, things like rice and raisin, quince and apple and random ones involving dandelions, burdock, rhubarb etc etc etc wine used to go down very well with a wide range of people.

Win kits are normally a can of concentrated grape juice a bit of yeast and yeast nutrient and some basic instructions, you'd need a few bits of equipment first (look up any first time wine brewing equipment kit) and then you are good to go. IMO demijohns are better than 5 gallon barrels at first because if (when) a batch fails it is far less expensive. A good wine making book is essential if you want to progress past kits Thumbs Up .

As you are a poor student then a few demijohns from the second hand shop, a wine kit and some basics bought on the net should set you up.
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

just started homebrewing myself, gallon demijohns being my chosen size at the moment.

Heres a few recipes Ive tried:

Cheap cider (aka turbocider/apfelwein)

4 litres apple juice from concentrate
1 litre orange juice from concentrate
3lb of sugar
1 tablespoon of wine yeast

leave it in a warm room til the airlock stops bubbling, drinkable anytime after that, not the best cider in the world but gets you suitably drunk for 2 quid 50 a gallon.

apple mead
1 litre apple juice from concentrate
2.5lbs honey
1 tablespoon of yeast
same as before, leave it alone in a warm room til the airlock stops bubbling, estimated percentage if it ferments completley is about 11/12%abv. Doesnt taste much like honey but it tastes nice and is very drinkable, this stuff is rocketfuel.


Im soon to be moving on to a 2 gallon batch of mead when I get a heatpad to keep it warm enough.

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PostPosted: 09:35 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to do wine. Forget red, it always came out pink and insipid, and once you've tried kits, you can move onto experimenting, but for simple and cheap, just try a litre carton of fruit juice. For me, pineapple worked best.

Don't forget, everything needs to be scrupulously clean and sterilised.

Carton of juice
Sugar
Yeast
Lukewarm water

Chuck it all in a demi-john and lock it off. It's that simple (detailed recipes are all over the net, but use the above ingredients) and once it's racked off it's very drinkable. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your POV), the stuff I used to make ran at around 15-16% (and was dry) and was like jet fuel. I woke up on the floor on more than one occasion.

I'd rather enjoy a glass of a nice full red now, rather tahn drink to get unconscious, but it was fun at the time...
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 for pineapple! Easily the best tasting and quality out of the wines I've made.

The easiest to make is Ribena wine.
1 bottle ribena - bring to the boil to get rid of preservatives etc
1/2 bag of sugar - none if you prefer it dry, ribena is very sweet anyway
1 tsp yeast

Once you've booiled the ribena, add the sugar (if you want it sweet), and allow it to disolve.
Put it in the Demijohn, top up with cool water
Add yeast
Shake

Wait 3-5 weeks,
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Home brew suggestions? Reply with quote

Quickly wrote:
Home brew beer doesn't seem like it would be very strong


Hahahahaha. Try using two bags of sugar and making 3 gallons instead of 5. OG usually works out around 1085-ish and if brewed out alcohol is around 10.5 %

It will get you absolutely shitfaced.

The main thing you will need is a FOOD GRADE brewing bin, some syphon tubing, some bottles, some metabisuphate to sterilise everything. Desired is some patience, a plastic spoon (easier to sterilse than wood) and somewhere with a warm and stable tempereature to brew in. Optional is a hydrometer.

Just use a decent kit. Geordie were always great. Follow the instructions for your first try, not the head killer above, and you'll end up with around 5% by volume.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent replies guys, I'll be looking into this tonight and making a decision on what to attempt. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edit: since the post below I've watched this video. Seems simple enough. Does the cider stay in the tub until it's ready to drink, and then you just pour it out into glasses? If so that's do-able.


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I've decided to give cider a bash, but I'm quite confused here. There's so many kits online and they all claim to be the simplest and easiest ones, but they all seem to have something different. I'm not even sure I really understand what I need to do.

I get that I can just go and buy some apple juice, throw it in with some other ingredients, stick a lid on it and I'm there. I think? But if that's true, why would I need a kit? And why wouldn't everyone be doing it? So many questions...

I don't suppose someone can recommend a kit they've used in the past? Or give me a a list of only what I need and in what order to use it?

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PostPosted: 00:19 - 05 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Home brew suggestions? Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:

Spirits (anything over about 15%) require distilling to concentrate the alcohol content, .


I've managed to brew a TurboCider (mentioned in this thread) with naught but apple juice, sugar and wine yeast and I got that to 19%.
The strongest yeast I know of will take upto 23% and that's the stuff you use in the mash before you distill.

I've brewed over 30 brews (All grain and kit) so if there's anything specific you need to know, PM me! But otherwise your question seems answered here.


EDIT: Everyone uses kits becuase they taste better than the TurboCider...trust me.
Here's a thread where I wrote a quick how-to for a beer kit, you can interchange it for a cider kit though quite happily: https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=212045&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 05 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Home brew suggestions? Reply with quote

Benson_JV wrote:
DonnyBrago wrote:

Spirits (anything over about 15%) require distilling to concentrate the alcohol content, .


I've managed to brew a TurboCider (mentioned in this thread) with naught but apple juice, sugar and wine yeast and I got that to 19%.
The strongest yeast I know of will take upto 23% and that's the stuff you use in the mash before you distill.



Could you put up some more details on that 19% run? I like the sound of that for bike rallies.

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PostPosted: 10:21 - 05 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i live in the arse-end of nowhere and have recently turned to moonshining. been trying a few things out. All gear was fluppence at car-boot and sometimes demi-johns etc turn-up on free-cycle. I got most of mine free when i got my allotment (they were left in the shed). Bargain!

Have tried elderberry wine (elder trees easy to spot) and came out lovely. Blackberry was LUSH wish i did more. Bramble tip made nice rose wine. Elderflower - have tip here, don't even bother picking them, get them dried on ebay for next to nothing. Wine came out lovely, will be having a crack at the elderflower 'champagne' sparkling stuff this summer. Made elderflower cordial which was yum - especially when served over ice with voddie in it.

Were all pretty much free to make as main ingredients were either cheap or free. I had loads of books but filtered out the crap and best one is 'first steps in winemaking' by CJ Berry. Bloke looks like a Bond villan Laughing but knows his stuff.

There's a lot of palaver about hydrometers and measuring alcoholic content etc. Have said 'pah' to all this and gone for the 'just brew it and drink it' approach - which seems to be working fine. all tastes yum and no-one has gone blind/had multiple organ failure/died Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 05 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saki, very easy and strong

you need:
white rice
raisins
sugar
wine / champagne yeast

take 900g of plain white rice and add to a brewing bucket
add 1 gallon of hot water allow to soak for 30 mins
add 450g of chopped raisins, 1kg of sugar and 1 teaspoon of yeast
put the lid on the bucket with an airlock (from a brewer suppliers or make your own )
place in a warm dark place (airing cupboard is ideal) allow at least 1 week to ferment
or until the bubbles stop coming through the airlock, syphon off and filter then bottle it up
leave for another week or more to mature in the bottles and your done

I've made this a few times and can get it to 12 - 14% proof according to hydrometer readings
by adding the sugar in stages and using slightly more sugar
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 05 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Home brew suggestions? Reply with quote

virus wrote:
Benson_JV wrote:


I've managed to brew a TurboCider (mentioned in this thread) with naught but apple juice, sugar and wine yeast and I got that to 19%.
The strongest yeast I know of will take upto 23% and that's the stuff you use in the mash before you distill.



Could you put up some more details on that 19% run? I like the sound of that for bike rallies.

Cheers
John


1 Gallon Demijohn
5 Litres Apple Juice (I used tesco own brand, swap for whatever juice you'd like really)
1KG Sugar
Mix it all together,
Bang in some cheap wine yeast
Put on a heat matt
Give it a quick shake every time you go past to make sure the yeast is still alive.

It was more an accident than anything, I was just doing some cheap experiments. I'm surprised the yeast withstood it all.
Be warned...that stuff managed to give me a two day hangover

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PostPosted: 15:39 - 05 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody brewed rice beer?
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 05 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Home brew suggestions? Reply with quote

Benson_JV wrote:



1 Gallon Demijohn
5 Litres Apple Juice (I used tesco own brand, swap for whatever juice you'd like really)
1KG Sugar
Mix it all together,
Bang in some cheap wine yeast
Put on a heat matt
Give it a quick shake every time you go past to make sure the yeast is still alive.

It was more an accident than anything, I was just doing some cheap experiments. I'm surprised the yeast withstood it all.
Be warned...that stuff managed to give me a two day hangover

Laughing


Sounds like my first turbocider batch just with a hell of a lot more sugar in. I'll give that a go one day, my first batch of turbo was very drinkable but turned out to be quite a falling over juice anyway.

also, my apple mead (detailed above) has finished femmenting now, hydrometer results tell me its a 12.4%abv, thats the rocketfuel i'll be drinking for most of this year sorted then.


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PostPosted: 16:06 - 05 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Home brew suggestions? Reply with quote

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Sounds like my first turbocider batch just with a hell of a lot more sugar in. I'll give that a go one day, my first batch of turbo was very drinkable but turned out to be quite a falling over juice anyway.

also, my apple mead (detailed above) has finished femmenting now, hydrometer results tell me its a 12.4%abv, thats the rocketfuel i'll be drinking for most of this year sorted then.


Cheers
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Awesome. I reckon I'll be doing some more TC once I get my corny kegs up and running, cause I like a sweet cider, which means I have to stop the fermentation early (and thus kill the yeast) and then have no carbonation. But If I can force carbonate with a keg...I'll be sorted!
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 05 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is win.

I wanna buy a beer making kit now Thinking

Whats best to start, bitter or lager?
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 06 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto wrote:
This thread is win.

I wanna buy a beer making kit now Thinking

Whats best to start, bitter or lager?


I'd say bitter as lager can take considerably more time to 'age' before it is consumable. This is due to the off-flavours and smells (sulpher smell) lager gives off, these take a short time to settle down.
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 06 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well ive been reading up on it for the last hour or so, watching some videos and my dad used to do it back in the day. Im gonna get this kit:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Home-Brew-Starter-Kit-Bitter/dp/B001C54KQW/ref=sr_1_2?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1299370121&sr=1-2

Can get them from Tescos apparently.

Presumably I can then buy additional kits like stout to refill it.

How long does this stuff last once its in its bottles? Does it get better the longer its left, and is it necessary to prime it?

Also, can I just use granulated sugar instead of so called 'brewing sugar'?

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PostPosted: 00:19 - 06 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is exactly the same kit I started with.

You do indeed just then buy the kits (and sugar) and go again.

I recommend you use PET bottles, which are coke/fanta/etc bottles as they are 1/2L instead of pint bottles, which trust me, are a pain in the arse to bottle. 40 pint bottles? Pah. I'd rather rinse/sanitise/rinse 23-1L bottles!
In these PET bottles it lasts upto around two/three years before oxidation starts to set in, this is proven by the fact my dad has some 4 year old Belgian beer just starting to oxidise!

It is necessary to prime, unless you want flat beer of course.
You can indeed use bog standard sugar, although the flavour will be a little weaker with less body.
I also recommend making the kit upto 32 pints instead of 40 pints, this will result in more body (and thus flavour) and a slightly higher (around 5%) alcohol content.

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EDIT: Instead of brewing sugar, I'd recommend 2x 500G packets of Spray malt. Which is essentially spray dried malt, much more flavour and body with these.
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 06 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats what I forgot to ask.

Does the alcohol level stop increasing once the fermentation is complete.

I.e. Once bottled the alcohol level will stop rising? I read that an easy way to get more alcohol is just to add more sugar? But there must be some drawback to this...

What happens if you leave the mixture in the fermentation bucket for too long? And how does the bottling process stop fermentation?

Also, I was just gonna buy a load of 15p Value Cola, tip that out and use those bottles?
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 06 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once fermentation is complete that's it.
Once bottled that is the end, as once the yeast has eaten the yeast in the bottle (and given off the Co2 to carbonise the bottles) it'll die.


If you keep adding sugar, the beer will get stronger but the taste will suffer drastically. I advise against this, the better way to get stronger is to drop the amount of water down, I.E 40 pint kit, make upto 32 pints or even 20 pints. I did this with the kit you are mentioning and it improved it IMHO.

If you leave it in too long you risk contamination, although I've had brews in the bucket (fermenting and finished, I just didn't have time to bottle) for two weeks with no ill effects.

Those bottles will be suitable yes.
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 06 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woohoo, im intrigued to try it now.

The kit comes with a sterilising solution if im correct? As ive heard this is the most important part. Otherwise I read bleach is ok to use.

Im gonna try and get the kit tomorrow then crack on with it on monday.

Is there any where I can get spray malt or brewing sugar other than online? Otherwise I will just have to go for the granulated stuff for the first attempt.

Ill drop another post if I run into any troubles and hopefully you will be around to help Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 06 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suggest you use Miltons baby sterilising stuff, I use it and it's perfect. As even if the kit does come with sterilising (which I don't think it does) you won't have any to do the bottles.

You can pick it up from homebrew stores if you have anywhere near you, if not order from barley bottom as they have an excellent shipping time and you'll probably have anything you order by Tuesday.
I ordered about 40kg of malt and it was here next day!

PM if you need any help mate!
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