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Xinthus
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: New Rider Bike Insurance Reply with quote

Ok Just passed my Test and now have a full motorcycle licence, updated my Insurance to represent the fact that i now hold a full motorcycle licence well knock me down with a feather, Jumped £129 for the remaining 4 months of the policy,

What insurance companys do you guys recommend to try for a first time full licence holder with currently NCB if im to cancel this policy..

Seams CRAZY to pay so much more for 4 months, and its a third of my policy as well.. So Not impressed.. still riding a 125cc honda CBF.. as no big bike yet..
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: New Rider Bike Insurance Reply with quote

Whilst it's a bitter pill it may be that keeping the policy and getting your first year of NCB is actually worth more than £129. If you cancel and start a new policy then NCB will be 12 months away not 4.
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread! Some of that may be a charge for changing the terms of the policy.
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flatbadger wrote:
I'll be keeping an eye on this thread! Some of that may be a charge for changing the terms of the policy.


£62 Charge for changing details, split between the insurer and the issuer.. so an increase (Rounded off) of £70.. Still looking into it..

First instalment£118.86
11 Monthly instalments£29.39
Total amount payable£442.15
Typical APR 29.90%

So far..
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xinthus wrote:
Flatbadger wrote:
I'll be keeping an eye on this thread! Some of that may be a charge for changing the terms of the policy.


£62 Charge for changing details, split between the insurer and the issuer.. so an increase (Rounded off) of £70.. Still looking into it..

First instalment£118.86
11 Monthly instalments£29.39
Total amount payable£442.15
Typical APR 29.90%

So far..


You could do better than that paying on a credit card!
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Xinthus
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:


You could do better than that paying on a credit card!


hmm u maybe right there.. Dont like using Credit cards mind.. lol,, 17.9% i think my CC is.. i'll take alook at that option too..

amended that above quote to 1 year NCB (if i leave it to run) and it dropped down to £255.83 n hmm thats a BIG ass drop
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might arrange an overdraft with the bank if you haven't already, and pay it in one go - might be cheaper.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd take the hit, pay the £129 now to secure the NCB in four months - but only if you aren't intending to buy a bigger bike before the existing policy runs out. If you are planning to upgrade then I'd ditch this policy now to save the admin charges for changing it since it seems to be a rare insurer that will let you change to a bigger bike on a policy taken out on a 125.

If you are paying the extra then you could save by whacking it on a 0% card, or even by using your overdraft. Either are going to be cheaper than either the horrible 29.9% from the insurer or the 17% on your existing card.
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Xinthus
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flatbadger wrote:
You might arrange an overdraft with the bank if you haven't already, and pay it in one go - might be cheaper.


Yep got one of £300 free usage.. however again i dont like to use it.. lol,, would rather pay upfront without borrowing.. but gratefull i have the cushions in place should deprevation strike lol
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xinthus wrote:
Yep got one of £300 free usage.. however again i dont like to use it.. lol,, would rather pay upfront without borrowing.. but gratefull i have the cushions in place should deprevation strike lol


But the credit agreement with the insurer is also borrowing, and more expensive borrowing at that. Use the overdraft and pay that off monthly with the cash you are then not paying the credit agreement to. Requires a bit of discipline, but saves you money and it sounds like you are fairly sensible in that regard.
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Xinthus
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firkit wrote:
Xinthus wrote:
Yep got one of £300 free usage.. however again i dont like to use it.. lol,, would rather pay upfront without borrowing.. but gratefull i have the cushions in place should deprevation strike lol


But the credit agreement with the insurer is also borrowing, and more expensive borrowing at that. Use the overdraft and pay that off monthly with the cash you are then not paying the credit agreement to. Requires a bit of discipline, but saves you money and it sounds like you are fairly sensible in that regard.


Yep, i am, I tend to pay Annually to prevent the "Loan" but car insurance also due this month and just been paid leaves me tight in my pocket, Current policy expires 10 February 2013 23:59 which is just after christmas hence the Biatch of finding funds then too lol.. ahh what a predicument.

was really happy about the Full Licence holder, now depressed lol.. the joys of motoring huh HAHAhahahhaa.. but seams like the bonus of taking the hit this time round pays off in the long run.. otherwise im gonna be thinking this time next year when i have 1 NCB year, if i waited 4 more months i could have had 2 year NCB.. sigh..
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: New Rider Bike Insurance Reply with quote

[quote="Xinthus"]Ok Just passed my Test and now have a full motorcycle licence, updated my Insurance to represent the fact that i now hold a full motorcycle licence

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I wouldn't have informed them, there is no legal requirement for you to do so. I was with Bennets when I passed and they made no charge for simply updating my details on their computer. Confused
When I tried to update my insurance from my 125 to my 600 they said they couldn't do it and then said I would be charged £50 to cancel my policy with 9 months remaining. My policy was only £58 for the year Laughing I argued that I was being forced to cancel and they ended up refunding my whole £58 Very Happy

I then went with H&R insurance who charged me £90 for my GPZ600R TPO, well impressed Wink
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: New Rider Bike Insurance Reply with quote

Magnet420 wrote:

I wouldn't have informed them, there is no legal requirement for you to do so.


I don't think that's the case.
I personally think all insurers are thieves, BUT... from a road legal perspective, you must inform your insurer for any change of material details that would or could make a difference to your insurance cover or premium. And certainly the type of license you hold (provisional or full) is such a material detail.
If your insurance proposal reads "provisional license" and you hold a full license, then your proposal doesn't match reality and it's the easiest get-out clause ever for the insurer, it will just enable them to refuse a payout and cancel your insurance if you ever have to make a claim and they check your details.

As for me, I'm with Hastings. When I rang to change my details from provisional to full license, they charged me £39, which broke down as £4 premium difference for the remaining 5 months and £36 administration charge Laughing
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Xinthus
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: New Rider Bike Insurance Reply with quote

DonDino wrote:

As for me, I'm with Hastings. When I rang to change my details from provisional to full license, they charged me £39, which broke down as £4 premium difference for the remaining 5 months and £36 administration charge Laughing


Ironically thats whom i got that above figure off.

As i believe any change of circumstances is a requirtement to update your insurance policy maybe NOT by Law however should a incident arise and you've NOT updated your details the insurance company WOULD quote your policy Void as its not correct, With holding information to get a cheaper price, could be classed as Fraud by deception.. so not a wise move.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Legaly the insurance would still have to pay out any claim as you havn't mislead them by not informing of your pass. They can only invalidate a claim if you have mislead them in a way as to save premium. The main charge here is an admin charge. I personaly have NEVER paid an admin charge as I just tell them I will go with another company. They have always toddled off, spoke to a manager and got back to me with " Sir, this time we will waive the charge" Very Happy

At the end of the day I don't charge the insurance company for sending me incorrect insurance documents, I merely call them up and ask for it to be rectified.

When it comes to money and insurance, its always worth a polite moan on the phone Wink
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: New Rider Bike Insurance Reply with quote

DonDino wrote:
I personally think all insurers are thieves, BUT... from a road legal perspective, you must inform your insurer for any change of material details that would or could make a difference to your insurance cover or premium. And certainly the type of license you hold (provisional or full) is such a material detail.

Eh, maybe. You get 3 bites at showing otherwise though: their complaints department; the FOS; court.

What kind of claim are you planning on making?

Fire? Theft? Vandalism? I can't see how it would be material to them, nor why the issue would even come up.

Being claimed against by a 3rd party? If you were carrying a pillion (or the claimant is your pillion), or it happens on a motorway, maybe they'll notice that's not consistent with the license that they think you have.

Bah, and likewise, humbug.

Wait until you change bikes, then mention it in passing. Or you could (and of course, I'm not saying that you should) post your insurer an empty envelope and get proof of postage for an extra £0.00 cost. "Hells yeah I informed you, I did it in writing and here's my proof of postage." Folded arms
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: New Rider Bike Insurance Reply with quote

Xinthus wrote:

As i believe any change of circumstances is a requirtement to update your insurance policy maybe NOT by Law however should a incident arise and you've NOT updated your details the insurance company WOULD quote your policy Void as its not correct, With holding information to get a cheaper price, could be classed as Fraud by deception.. so not a wise move.


Indeed.

I am not sure whether this is actually written in law, but, take an easy example, say you have a car provisional license, and you have insurance on the car in your name that says "full license holder". You are effectively uninsured for all intents and purposes, and if the police stopped you, they would charge you with driving without insurance.
Same if you have insurance that says "provisional license holder", but you are driving without a suitable supervisor in the car. Your insurance says you are covered if you drive in accordance with your license (or wording to that effect), so if you are not driving in accordance with your license, you are effectively uninsured.
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only recently passed my test and got my insurance through Carole Nash. £270 fully comp including tax, UK and European breakdown, covered to ride any other bike and 60 European cover.

I thought that was quite good considering my first bike is a Speed Triple 955!
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: New Rider Bike Insurance Reply with quote

DonDino wrote:
if the police stopped you, they would charge you with driving without insurance

You say this with great conviction.

If you're stopped with missing or inadequate L plates while on a provisional, you're riding otherwise than in accordance with your licence, and therefore ZOMFG !!!!no insurance!!!! you gonna get raped.

Does it happen? Is the sky falling down?

Remember, anything that you see happening on "Oi! Rozzers!" is for entertainment purposes only.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: New Rider Bike Insurance Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
DonDino wrote:
if the police stopped you, they would charge you with driving without insurance

You say this with great conviction.

If you're stopped with missing or inadequate L plates while on a provisional, you're riding otherwise than in accordance with your licence, and therefore ZOMFG !!!!no insurance!!!! you gonna get raped.

Does it happen? Is the sky falling down?

Remember, anything that you see happening on "Oi! Rozzers!" is for entertainment purposes only.


Sorry, I should elaborate.

If the police stopped you for some reason, and they happened to check on your license and insurance, they could charge you for riding without insurance.

There.
Does it happen often/rarely? I don't know.
Could it happen? Yes, of course. Do I want to take even a small chance? Hell no.
Am I gonna get raped? *probably* not Razz
Then why? Because I enjoy not having points on my license or fines to pay or my bike taken away.
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