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St3
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PostPosted: 02:40 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: CBT or DAS, or why the EU are a bunch of cunts Reply with quote

So my intended planned route into motorcycling was to do my CBT and ride a wee 125 for a year before sitting the DAS test and upgrading to something bigger. Then i heard about the 'The 3rd European Driving Licence Directive' or 'Look how much we hate motorcycles' as I like to call it. This put a bit of spanner in my plan.
I will be 24 in may 2013 so I would be still be eligible to do DAS under the new rules but, i have the feeling training schools are going to massively increase their charges to cover the costs of buying new bikes, I've also been told that module 2 is going to be a lot more difficult (i don't know if there's any truth in this.). Plus the uncertainty of the whole thing makes me uneasy.
My question is this; Should i just continue with my plan of sitting only my CBT only, or should i splurge out the 600 squids on DAS training now, so i'm fully licensed before the laws change?

Also, how much does being fully licensed affect insurance premiums?
Looking at quotes for a 125 on a cbt, they seem pretty high (£360 for third party, fire and theft was the best i seen.).
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PostPosted: 06:42 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DAS now. Thumbs Up

I called my insurance to ask about being fully licensed and was told to let them know at renewal or I'd incur a mid-term admin fee.
I was also told that even though I'd passed my tests, there would be no problem with any claim.
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: CBT or DAS, or why the EU are a bunch of cunts Reply with quote

St3 wrote:
i have the feeling training schools are going to massively increase their charges to cover the costs of buying new bikes


I don't see why that would be the case. There will still be competition as always. I wouldn't go with any instructor or school that had obviously spiked their prices above any reasonable amount.
My own instructor just increased his charged by £2/hour to cover the extra fuel his CB600 uses, but other than that, same charges apply.

St3 wrote:

I've also been told that module 2 is going to be a lot more difficult (i don't know if there's any truth in this.).


Who told you that and under what logic? No basis for this at all.

St3 wrote:

My question is this; Should i just continue with my plan of sitting only my CBT only, or should i splurge out the 600 squids on DAS training now, so i'm fully licensed before the laws change?


As far as I understand it, the only difference in the new EU laws for over-24s is that we'd have to pass the test on a >600cc bike instead of >500cc that the rules stipulate now (that's the gist of it, there's specific kW figures quoted of course too). So you could do it now, or wait and take your time, get some road experience and lessons at your own pace and do it when you are happy after you've passed the 24 mark.
As with anything, I too would say do it now rather than later, but even if you do decide to do it next year you shouldn't be at any disadvantage.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: CBT or DAS, or why the EU are a bunch of cunts Reply with quote

DonDino wrote:
St3 wrote:
i have the feeling training schools are going to massively increase their charges to cover the costs of buying new bikes


I don't see why that would be the case.


All the bikes they currently use for training are going to be useless. They are going to have to replace them with new bikes at great expense, I imagine. They'll have to cover those costs some how. It's also expected that the new rules are going to cause a substantial drop in the number of people taking up motorcycling. Basic economics dictate that course costs are going to increase.
Though on the plus side the market is going to be flooded with cheap ex training school bikes. If you're in the market for a 125cc or a 500cc commuter it's maybe worth waiting until January/February.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: CBT or DAS, or why the EU are a bunch of cunts Reply with quote

St3 wrote:
All the bikes they currently use for training are going to be useless. They are going to have to replace them with new bikes at great expense, I imagine.

Eh, maybe. They've known about the new test bikes since 2006, so it's not like they haven't had time to upgrade. All of the base model bikes (SV650, Gladius, ER-6, Divvy, CBF600) are suitable for the new A3/A class, and we've seen plenty of folk say they've been training on them already.

What's actually worse for them is that they'll need to maintain a fleet of 25-35kW bikes (e.g. 500s) as well as the 595cc+ 40kW+ bikes.

St3 wrote:
It's also expected that the new rules are going to cause a substantial drop in the number of people taking up motorcycling.

Probably. But they we might be going back to a single test, which should help a bit.

St3 wrote:
Basic economics dictate that course costs are going to increase.

Do prices rise when demand falls? That's news.

I'd be more worried about training schools just going under altogether, when they lose the 17-18 year old market overnight.

All that said, you're right to get it done ASAP if you can.

125s do cost much more than you'd expect, because they get dropped / crashed / stolen a lot. Riding one is good preparation, but there's no particular need for it if you've got your head screwed on right. Just don't go mad the second you're all licensed up.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: CBT or DAS, or why the EU are a bunch of cunts Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

125s do cost much more than you'd expect, because they get dropped / crashed / stolen a lot. Riding one is good preparation, but there's no particular need for it if you've got your head screwed on right. Just don't go mad the second you're all licensed up.


This. In hindsight I massively regret pootling around on a 125 for months before starting DAS. I could have spent the majority of that time on a big bike enjoying myself. Could have saved some money too.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've booked my theory and my CBT, might aswell get those two done ASAP. I'll do my CBT and decide if i want to go straight onto doing DAS. I might be shite.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good plan. Some folk love it, but there's a lot to take in and you can feel a bit overwhelmed. I did my CBT then left it a year (during which I pedalled a lot) before even getting a 125. Very Happy
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