So. Everyone thinks section 59 tickets are crock of shit?

[stinkwheel]

We seem to have a consensus that it is totally out of order and very open to misuse and abuse, particularly for motorcyclists.

What do we do about it?

Write to our MP?

Write to the transport minister?

An e-petition?

Verbosely whinge about it on an internet forum where nobody who can do anything about it will see?
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[Clanger]

What is it exactly...? I tried google but TL;DR can we have it in layman's terms please. Ta, it's late, my brain doesn't work this late.
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[U_W v2.0]

some sort of ticket issued by cops who are too lazy to charge you for a real offence. at least thats the general gist i got from the other thread.
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[daemonoid]

I'll join in with anything on this one - well anything legal and doable mainly from a distance.

Anyone live in Hemel Hempsted? Mike Penning (https://www.mikepenning.com/) is biker friendly and may be a good avenue for that...

He'd almost certainly be interested in some of the abuses of this power.
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[Blackwolf]

Had one. yes there bollocks. Its a judge, jury and executioner ticket given by the Police
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[daemonoid]

[mentalboy]

[daemonoid]

[multijoy]

They should do both. If you can form the reasonable grounds for careless driving etc. to issue a s59, there's no reason not to write up the substantive offence.

If you don't write up the evidence, you can't enforce the subsequent seizure (or at least have it stand in the civil action).
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[stinkwheel]

[JP7]

For a S59 warning to be issued, there need to be two elements to the offence.

1, there needs to be a Driving without due care and attention offence either on road (S3 RTA) or off-road (S34 RTA).

2, there also needs to be an antisocial element to the offence, so you either need to cause alarm, distress or annoyance, or be likely to.

If it doesn't fit both of those then a S59 isn't appropriate and shouldn't be issued.

As Multijoy says, if the Due Care offence is made out, you can be prosecuted regardless of whether or not you get a S59 as well. Most cops will consider the S59 as an alternative way of dealing with the offence to prosecution, unless it's something serious enough to warrant both.

I do think there is a lack of understanding among drivers, and I also think among some police officers, about S59s.

[daemonoid]

[keggyhander]

[multijoy]

[stinkwheel]

[multijoy]

[stinkwheel]

Ok. So legalise people.

I have the financial means and the bloody-minded attitude to challenge a S59 notice on general principle if I ever received one.

How would I do this?
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“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[JP7]

[daemonoid]

[mentalboy]

It seems to me that, unfortunately, the double booking is referring to an incident mentioned on another thread for two separate offences.
Speeding was without question and thus legally bookable, the S59 came about because of the questionability of the exhaust/filtering.

Thus we can get shafted legally with points, fines etc and, just to rub it in, 'I don't like your face so I'm going to s**t in your mouth and give you an S59'
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[stinkwheel]

[mentalboy]

I think you could probably challenge the same copper issuing two at once
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[multijoy]