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PostPosted: 15:45 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: suggest me a bike Reply with quote

I've got a commute that is is 13 miles of town riding on fairly clear roads 30-40mph with only occasional filtering followed by 7 miles of twisty country roads. Then for the way back, I've got 30 miles of motorway with usually a solid 50-60mph with sometimes a bit of filtering.

I'm currently using a triumph tt600 which is a lot like a cbr600f.

This sort of bike is really meant for riding harder and faster, so it's not really the right tool for the job in some ways. Bars a bit low maybe but it is agile with a fair amount of low rev power.

I've had 3 ideas of what sort of bike

traditional commuter
paralell twin 500
pros - light and nippy for the town bits
cons - lower build quality and less weather protection for wet motorway riding

bigger more tourer sort of bike
tdm900, cbr1100
pros - effort less for the faster roads
cons - possibly a bit more awkward in town than a commuter but higher bars so maybe still better than the tt600

big commuter moto
duke 640 , ccm 604 etc
pros - agile in town
cons - maybe not so great on the motorway

other thought was a faired bandit 1200, or a versys 650 but the versys would be a bit more than I want to spend

I'm currently getting 45-50 mpg, but I dont mind sacrificing a bit of mpg for comfort. I quite like the idea of getting something a bit bling like the cbr1100 or duke 640 as my tt600 is a bit scruffy with damaged panels but don't want to spend much over £2k.

I'd keep the tt600 as I don't think I'd get much for it.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought about one of the maxi scooters Question
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I have. I used to not care about image, and had a yp250. Before I had that, I tried a burgman 400. The burgman was better on motorway, but the yp250 was much more agile and nippy in town.

After I had the yp250, I had a gilera runner 180sp 2 stroke, which was better handling and faster.

If my commute was all town riding, I'd consider getting a another runner, but I'm more image conscious these days and am only 3 months into my job.

The yp250 was ok on motorways, but would run out of lean angle quite quickly on twisties which could be a bit scarey at times when you grind the centre stand after going too fast into a corner. I suppose I could have removed the centre stand.

So for the moment I'm ruling out scooters, as big ones are a bit tail happy, small ones don't feel right on a motorway and most importantly, I dont have the balls to turn up in the works car park on something that could make me a laughing stock.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter-moto Cool

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PostPosted: 17:10 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep the TT and save your cash. Good allround bike.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
Commuter-moto Cool

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G's phrase, i'm just using it I think he used it more for stuff like dr350 etc, but I want something a bit bigger and a bit more bling if i went for something like that
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

London couriers don't stop raving about new nc700s.
They buy them new.

Not the fastest but perfect for commuting.
80mpg is similar what 125cc scooters get.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commutermoto usually used to describe heavier bikes - like the XTZ660 which makes not much more power than a DRZ400 (or a CRF250), but weighs almost as much as bikes that make 3-4x the power.

Usual suggestion from me if you want the easiest and quickest journey with the best chance of getting through really tight traffic - a modern litre bike. GSXR1000, then ABS CBR1000 then S1000RR as your budget goes up.
The big bikes do easy commuting with a lot less hassle than a sports bikes - stick it in top for silly low rpm with still some go, or leave it in first for a gear that will be very responsive from 0 to 100.

If I was doing 50-60mpg on a motorway, I'd expect to be constantly filtering. For that reason, I'm not a fan of regularly using singles on them. However, if you're not going over 70, a big single may be fine. However, the pre-690 LC4 based bikes do tend to be a bit vibey.
A rotax 604 may well be a bit blowy-uppy. The later 644 with a Suzuki engine is more reliable but also more sedate and possibly heavier?
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

C1REX wrote:
London couriers don't stop raving about new nc700s.
They buy them new.

Not the fastest but perfect for commuting.
80mpg is similar what 125cc scooters get.


Interesting I've never heard of the nc700, looks interesting.

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but way out of my price range as there arent any old ones and i dont want to spend £5k
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

why is it 10 miles further home then to work Neutral Question
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

Usual suggestion from me if you want the easiest and quickest journey with the best chance of getting through really tight traffic - a modern litre bike. GSXR1000, then ABS CBR1000 then S1000RR as your budget goes up.
The big bikes do easy commuting with a lot less hassle than a sports bikes - stick it in top for silly low rpm with still some go, or leave it in first for a gear that will be very responsive from 0 to 100.


Interesting, I guess I could have a big engine without it being a big tourer style bike. I do actually have some raiser bars for a gsxr, so this might be worth doing. maybe a 750 rather than a thou.

G wrote:

If I was doing 50-60mpg on a motorway, I'd expect to be constantly filtering. For that reason, I'm not a fan of regularly using singles on them. However, if you're not going over 70, a big single may be fine. However, the pre-690 LC4 based bikes do tend to be a bit vibey.


The motorway is limited to 60mph and it's heavy traffic so the only way to go faster than 60 mph would be high speed filtering which I have no interest in doing.
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
why is it 10 miles further home then to work Neutral Question


different route
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
andyscooter wrote:
why is it 10 miles further home then to work Neutral Question


different route


Why? Razz
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
why is it 10 miles further home then to work Neutral Question


colin1 wrote:
different route


WetAndCold wrote:
Why? Razz


The motorway route is longer, the town and twisty route is shorter.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find a "comfort kit" for your TT600 and lob some Renthals on it. Crappy town riding position solved and still good for a blast.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because of the budget I would suggest older Honda.
CBF600 or CB500 are considered as one of the best commuters in the price range.

They do decent mpg as well and are cheap to run.

60m/h is very slow however. You could do it even on 125cc and get way over 100mpg.
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't suggest a "moto" on the motorway.

I sat on my TT600R at 80 for a fair bit of time, by the end of it my neck and back were quite sore.

I've ridden a fair few things on the motorway now given that I work at the end of the M20 Laughing I can't see why you have an issue with the TT, the Thundercat I had was ideal.

BMW F650?
XL1000V?

It sounds like you want the bike everyone dreams of, ideal handling, perfect in town, not slow but not too fast, good mpg and motorway mileage...

If you are only doing 50/60mph on a motorway, I really cannot see the issue with something like a Varadero 125 or a CB250 or something, pennies to run, servicing/tyres is just pocket change..

Or, just grab yourself a CB500, fit some muffs, heated grips, wear some waterproof trousers and get on with it? I'm going to try using the Vara 125 on the motorway at some point next week, its a non limited motorway, I do 23 miles there and 26 miles back. It won't be bad at all, used an RS125 before hand Wink
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
I wouldn't suggest a "moto" on the motorway.
BMW F650?


This is probably a good idea, and gets me thinking more in the commuter moto sense that G was thinking of than I had initially intended. Stuff that comes with a bit of wind/rain deflection but is less top heavy than an IL4.

I did try a freewind years ago that I quite liked for town riding. Never tried it on the motorway.

My triumph is a pretty good tool for the job in many ways, so it would be easy to get something that I thought might be better but turned out to be worse.

I like the way singles handle better at low speeds, more like a scooter, but still with a bit of stability at higher speeds.

cb500 might be a good shout as i have seen a few faired ones and might be smoother than a single on the motorway.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
Find a "comfort kit" for your TT600 and lob some Renthals on it. Crappy town riding position solved and still good for a blast.


+1 to this. Borrowed a TT for a day and it seemed like a good bike. Given you already have one use some of the funds you had planned on a new bike to tweak it how you like.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you should re-test a R1.

I once heard how you could adjusted your speed with a touch of the throttle.

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PostPosted: 20:12 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:12 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackbird.

Mine is forsale here;
https://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/motorbikes/honda/cbr1100-blackbird/honda-blackbird-2000/279714

I bought it for a 100mile a day commute, mostly a and M-ways but with 10 of so miles of twistys at the end. Perfect fast cruiser and not to shabby around corners Smile

I'll do you a BCF deal too Very Happy

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PostPosted: 20:28 - 13 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why the different route?

I would suffer the town traffic to enjoy the county ride, on both trips.

And not use the motorway at all.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:

The motorway route is longer, the town and twisty route is shorter.


Yeah, I meant why take a different route? Why not just the twisty&town route there and back? because it's (I'm guessing) more fun?

Oh well, never mind, I was just curious Smile
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Groove wrote:
I think you should re-test a R1.
I once heard how you could adjusted your speed with a touch of the throttle.


As opposed to... ? Confused

Anyway I'll chuck my vote in with the "basically anything in the 125-250cc range" camp. Maybe even 100-300cc.

If you're only ever topping out aroudn 50-60mph then anything spicier is overkill, unless you think you're regularly going to need to accelerate from rest up to that moderate cruising speed in significantly less than 10 seconds (mind that 30mph is about halfway through second gear for me going full bore on a CG, too - a launch that rarely sees anyone keeping pace in the rush hour... when driving, most of the time I'm feather touch within the flow in my modest hatchback). It'll just be chunkier, heavier and thirstier.

It's not even like you're going a monstrous distance on each leg, though that round trip 5 days a week will soon add up fuelwise. Certainly I found lesser distance than that started to get a bit comical in terms of how much of my disposable income was being fed into the pumps when I was doing it in something that was a heavy drinker.

How do you manage to find 10 miles by going city and countryside rather than motorway though? I manage to shave some distance off myself that way (motorway's full of roadworks at the moment so the time taken is roughly equal), but still nowhere near that much difference, and that's going across Birmingham. You're around London I guess? Maybe Stoke/Stafford at a push? (That continual crawl on otherwise perfectly good open rural roads sounds very Staffordshire-ish).

Given that it's a bit of a long drag to be sat on a dinky 125 and you might want a bit of poke for some fun on the twisties, probably a CB(F)250 or the like? Maybe some kind of 300 or even 400? CB500/GS500 at the extreme?

Really, the question is how much of the capability of your TT do you currently use. Use that to figure out about how much oomph you need as a minimum. Then you've got a smaller pool to choose from, because right now if all you do is cruise it, a 100cc scoot may well do the business for you.

It does sound a bit like trying to decide which muscle car or sportscar to use for sitting in traffic jams and going to the supermarket at the moment. However if you do occasionally let the machine's hair down on the rural bits, then a bit more speed may be worth a little extra cost. Especially if it's kinda hilly and you'd otherwise be stuck plugging away in 3rd or 4th gear to maintain 40. Say, something equivalent to an Elise or whatever. (Ninja 250?)

Thoughts on the consumption, if you're bothered by that (getting 40-45mpg, which I could achieve in a midsize 5 seat petrol fuelled car under those conditions, suggests probably not?) ... 50 miles a day... at 50mpg average that's a gallon a day, 5 per week, ~21 per month. 95 litres, about £130. More than £1500 a year. Maybe £1800 at your stated economy... £2000+ if it goes any lower. That you don't want to spend more than that selfsame £2000 on the machine itself makes me wonder if you've realised how much your current fuel budget is?

A 250 driven with such conservatism might save you five hundred quid a year, if that's of any import...
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