Shameful!

[Suntan Sid]

First off, I despise Liverpool Football club, if the club went bust tomorrow, I’d dance a jig in celebration.

I am, genuinely, shocked by yesterday’s revelations.
I know full well that the police are a law unto themselves, but FUCK!

https://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/report/HIP_report.pdf

Putting all prejudice’s and emotions aside, the enormity of the situation is mind boggling.

Senior police officers, members of the emergency services, an MP and the coroner have conspired to pervert the course justice!

Statements were altered.
The coroner falsified evidence.
41 people died because the police refused to let ambulances attend to casualties.
The police lied to the prime minster.
The original inquest was a sham.

Norman Bettison, (Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police)
David Duckenfield, (officer in charge of policing on the day)
Peter Wright, (the then Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police)
Paul Middup, (the then secretary of the South Yorkshire Police Federation)
Stefan Popper, (the coroner who ruled that no one could be saved after 3.15pm and returned verdicts of accidental death).
Sir Irvine Patnick, (the then Conservative MP for Sheffield Hallam)

All of them conspired to pervert the course of justice.

To all the “Nothing to hide, nothing to fear” wankers, go fuck yourselves!
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[keggyhander]

I despise the stasi pigs but nothing, I repeat NOTHING will change my view that late-arriving, ticketless scouse hooligans were the main cause of the disaster.

Scousers are like Jews, they won't accept that one whit of their story is wrong, and the city of Sheffield is getting smeared all over again.

[CaNsA]

Keggy,
https://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/browse/

Then get back to me.

[keggyhander]

[CaNsA]

And still you have that opinion.....

something doesn't add up.

[Polarbear]

People should be hung out to dry over this but it won't happen. I expect half those people are deceased and the CPS will deem 'not in the public interest' to prosecute the others.
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[keggyhander]

[keggyhander]

Also, when will we get the Independent Heysel Report, the one that will show that Salt-of-the-Earth Liverpool fans did not cause the deaths of thirty three Juventus fans in 1985?

[Suntan Sid]

AFAIK 14 LFC supporters were tried convicted and sentenced for the Heysel killings!
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[Rogerborg]

This shit again? Making me agree with keggy again?

The incident was caused by scallys coming late from the pub and crowding in. The coppers had to choose between letting them in, or trying to stop them - probably futiley - and it kicking off big style outside, 100% guaranteed.

Of course they whitewashed it afterwards, that's par for the course. But blaming them for the deaths? That's just a populist sop by a slimy PM looking for a cheap ratings boost.
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[keggyhander]

[angryjonny]

[keggyhander]

[Suntan Sid]

Jeez! Don’t you get it?

Numerous police officers and the coroner have conspired to pervert the course of justice, colluded with an MP, to leak false information to the press and the prime minister of the time.

Blaming, “ticketless, scouse hooligans” is irrelevant, the police on the spot did not do their job.
In fact, their incompetence, probably, caused the death of 41 people.
A fact they have, successfully, covered up for nearly thirty years encompassing numerous changes of government.


Here are a few snippets that were redacted from statements given by police at the event:-

“I at no time heard any directions being given in terms of leadership”

“I have to state that even at this stage and this location and with a number of higher ranks in the area nobody seemed to be organising the injured.”

“Sergeants and Inspectors appeared to be aimlessly milling about and direct radio control appeared to be lost. There did not appear to be any leadership.”

“The Control Room seemed to have been hit by some sort of paralysis”

“There was no leadership at the Leppings Lane end following the disaster either in person or on the radio”

To cap it all, surprise, surprise they lost the CCTV tapes.

This is the same South Yorkshire Police force that charged 95 picketing miners with riot, unlawful assembly and similar offences.
The trial, in 1987, collapsed, all charges were dropped and lawsuits were brought against the police for unlawful arrest.
South Yorkshire Police later paid £425k compensation and £100k costs to the 39 pickets, in an out of court settlement.
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[keggyhander]

[angryjonny]

The number of people in the stand did not exceed the number of people the stand could hold. There weren't hoards of ticketless scousers pouring in. The major problem is that they were all allowed to barrel into the central pens rather than being diverted into the much emptier ones off to the sides. Organisational failure.

Rather than controlling the crowd trying to get through the grossly inadequate turnstiles, the police just opened the gates. What did they expect to happen? Don't blame the crowd for doing what crowds do. There were people present whose job it was to control the crowd. They didn't do this.

The police fought back fans trying to escape the crush, pushing them back in again and prevented ambulances from attending the casualties.

The larger Liverpool crowd shouldn't even have been at the Leppings Lane end - except that it was easier to get to that side of the ground coming in from Liverpool and the police didn't fancy the traffic problems of getting them all to Penistone road.

But the biggest issue here, by far, is the willingness and ability of SYP to tamper with evidence and statements of officers and "lose" the CCTV footage of the event in order to cover up their disastrous failure, blaming it on the fans themselves. That's when it went from a big failure to a big crime.

[Hetzer]

Hang fire chaps, Skudd'll be along shortly to explain how this report has got it wrong and the scum at the top are still innocent.
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[Skudd]

[stinkwheel]

I think we forget that football matches at that period were totally beset by thugs, football casuals and violence.

There will have been a lot of bad-uns in the crowd and I don't think responsability lies entirely with the police for failing to control what was essentially a disorganised, drunk and potentially violent rabble. Football supporters were being kept in steel cages like wild animals for a reason. The ground was not designed with "pens" round the stands, they had to be installed later in an attempt to prevent mass rioting of football fans.

It does not however excuse the sytematic campaign of lies, disinformation and evidence tampering. Charges of misconduct in public office should be brought against those responsible.
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[Suntan Sid]

As far as I can tell, there is hard evidence that the police and emergency services conspired to pervert the course of justice.
The police must have exerted some kind of pressure on the coroner to acquiesce to their wishes, to show them in a favourable light.
A sitting MP, at the time, leaked false information to the press, at the behest of the police.
The police gave false information to the prime minster at the time.
Apparently, Thatcher’s press secretary, Bernard Ingham, briefed Thatcher on the situation, uncannily, this briefing was not minuted!

You do realise that there is a very good chance that senior and rank and file police officers, lawyers, a coroner, an MP could all find themselves in the dock, staring at jail time.
There is also the possibility that the PM, of the day, misled the house

A private prosecution was brought against David Duckenfield and his deputy, Bernard Murray, both were cleared. If they relied on falsified evidence they must have perjured themselves.

In 1996, 14 police officers, who were on duty at Hillsborough, we’re awarded £1.2 million in damages for psychological illness. The House of Lords ruled, relatives who suffered post-traumatic stress disorder had no claim.

The police failed in their duty to protect the public, then covered up their failings, you now have a conspiracy of monumental proportions.

Anyone remember this?

"There can be no whitewash at the White House" Richard Milhous Nixon, Tuesday, May 1, 1973
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[angryjonny]

[bazza]

A very emotive subject, but let us not lose sight of what is most important for the families and those that are left behind - the one thing that has been denied by successive governments and corrupt judiciary - the big, fat compo cheque.

Shellsuits don't buy themselves, you know.
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[keggyhander]

In the wake of the new report, it will be an arrestable offence to say, on Twitter, that the fans were to blame.

Mark my words.

To those who say the fans weren't to blame, try this one for size:

Some fans were late due to, allegedly, delays on the M62. Why then, knowing they were late, did they not accept this, instead trying to barge in en masse?

The above can be plainly seen on video.

[Suntan Sid]