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Armada of British naval power massing in the Gulf as Israel prepares an Iran strike
Battleships, aircraft carriers, minesweepers and submarines from 25 nations are converging on the strategically important Strait of Hormuz in an unprecedented show of force as Israel and Iran move towards the brink of war.
Western leaders are convinced that Iran will retaliate to any attack by attempting to mine or blockade the shipping lane through which passes around 18 million barrels of oil every day, approximately 35 per cent of the world’s petroleum traded by sea.
A blockade would have a catastrophic effect on the fragile economies of Britain, Europe the United States and Japan, all of which rely heavily on oil and gas supplies from the Gulf.
The Strait of Hormuz is one of the world’s most congested international waterways. It is only 21 miles wide at its narrowest point and is bordered by the Iranian coast to the north and the United Arab Emirates to the south.
In preparation for any pre-emptive or retaliatory action by Iran, warships from more than 25 countries, including the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, will today begin an annual 12-day exercise.
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The war games are the largest ever undertaken in the region.
They will practise tactics in how to breach an Iranian blockade of the strait and the force will also undertake counter-mining drills.
The multi-national naval force in the Gulf includes three US Nimitz class carrier groups, each of which has more aircraft than the entire complement of the Iranian air force.
The carriers are supported by at least 12 battleships, including ballistic missile cruisers, frigates, destroyers and assault ships carrying thousand of US Marines and special forces.
The British component consists of four British minesweepers and the Royal Fleet Auxiliary Cardigan Bay, a logistics vessel. HMS Diamond, a brand-new £1billion Type 45 destroyer, one of the most powerful ships in the British fleet, will also be operating in the region.
In addition, commanders will also simulate destroying Iranian combat jets, ships and coastal missile batteries.
In the event of war, the main threat to the multi-national force will come from the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps navy, which is expected to adopt an “access-denial” strategy in the wake of an attack, by directly targeting US warships, attacking merchant shipping and mining vital maritime chokepoints in the Persian Gulf.
Defence sources say that although Iran’s capability may not be technologically sophisticated, it could deliver a series of lethal blows against British and US ships using mini-subs, fast attack boats, mines and shore-based anti-ship missile batteries.
Next month, Iran will stage massive military manoeuvres of its own, to show that it is prepared to defend its nuclear installations against the threat of aerial bombardment.
The exercise is being showcased as the biggest air defence war game in the Islamic Republic’s history, and will be its most visible response yet to the prospect of an Israeli military strike.
Using surface-to-air missiles, unmanned drones and state-of-the-art radar, Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and air force will combine to test the defences of 3,600 sensitive locations throughout the country, including oil refineries and uranium enrichment facilities.
Brigadier General Farzad Esmaili, commander of the Khatam al-Anbiya air defence base, told a conference this month that the manoeuvres would “identify vulnerabilities, try out new tactics and practise old ones”.
At the same time as the Western manoeuvres in the Gulf, the British Response Task Forces Group — which includes the carrier HMS Illustrious, equipped with Apache attack helicopters, along with the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle - will be conducting a naval exercise in the eastern Mediterranean. The task force could easily be diverted to the Gulf region via the Suez Canal within a week of being ordered to do so.
The main naval exercise comes as President Barack Obama is scheduled to meet Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, today to discuss the Iranian crisis.
Many within the Obama administration believe that Israel will launch a pre-emptive strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities before the US presidential elections, an act which would signal the failure of one of Washington’s key foreign policy objectives.
Both Downing Street and Washington hope that the show of force will demonstrate to Iran that Nato and the West will not allow President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian leader, to develop a nuclear armoury or close Hormuz.
Sir John Sawers, the head of MI6, the Secret Intelligence Service, reportedly met the Israeli prime minister and Ehud Barak, his defence secretary, two weeks ago in an attempt to avert military action against Iran.
But just last week Mr Netanyahu signalled that time for a negotiated settlement was running out when he said: “The world tells Israel 'Wait, there’s still time.’ And I say, 'Wait for what? Wait until when?’
“Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel.”
The crisis hinges on Iran’s nuclear enrichment programme, which Israel believes is designed to build an atomic weapon. Tehran has long argued that the programme is for civil use only and says it has no plans to an build a nuclear bomb, but that claim has been disputed by the West, with even the head of MI6 stating that the Islamic Republic is on course to develop atomic weapons by 2014.
The Strait of Hormuz has long been disputed territory, with the Iranians claiming control of the region and the entire Persian Gulf.
Rear Admiral Ali Fadavi of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps recently boasted that “any plots of enemies” would be foiled and a heavy price exacted, adding: “We determine the rules of military conflict in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz.”
But Leon Panetta, the US defence secretary, warned that Iranian attempts to exercise control over the Strait of Hormuz could be met with force.
He said: “The Iranians need to understand that the United States and the international community are going to hold them directly responsible for any disruption of shipping in that region — by Iran or, for that matter, by its surrogates.”
Mr Panetta said that the United States was “fully prepared for all contingencies” and added: “We’ve invested in capabilities to ensure that the Iranian attempt to close down shipping in the Gulf is something that we are going to be able to defeat if they make that decision.”
That announcement was supported by Philip Hammond, the Defence Secretary, who added: “We are determined to work as part of the international community effort to ensure freedom of passage in the international waters of the Strait of Hormuz.”
One defence source told The Sunday Telegraph last night: “If it came to war, there would be carnage. The Iranian casualties would be huge but they would be able to inflict severe blows against the US and British.
“The Iranian Republican Guard are well versed in asymmetrical warfare and would use swarm attacks to sink or seriously damage ships. This is a conflict nobody wants, but the rhetoric from Israel is unrelenting.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9545597/Armada-of-British-naval-power-massing-in-the-Gulf-as-Israel-prepares-an-Iran-strike.html
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| TaiChi wrote: | | LordShaftesbury wrote: | What about the oil? |
Did you know, that out of all the oil wells that have ever been found, drilled, tapped & consequently exhausted, they have only ever managed to get a maximum of 35% of the reserves out?
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but have you seen all the pipelines being planned through Israel? Israel wants further control on world economic resources. They want one for Iraqi oil to israel.
Iran nuclear programme, Saddams bogus WMDs, syria and lebanon are all interlinked. The bombing of Lebanon coincided with the inauguration of the World’s largest strategic pipeline, the Ceyhan-Tblisi-Baku (BTC) oil pipeline, which links the Caspian sea to the Eastern Mediterranean. The Iraq war faciliated the building of a pipleline to Israel, which saddam never would have allowed.
The BTC pipeline totally bypasses the territory of the Russian Federation. It transits through the former Soviet republics of Azerbaijan and Georgia, both of which have become US “protectorates”,and have longstanding military cooperation agreements with Israel.
Israel has a stake in the Azeri oil fields. The opening of a pipeline will substantially enhance Israeli oil imports from the Caspian sea basin., which they can sell to europe.
The bombing of Lebanon was part of a carefully planned and coordinated military road map. The extension of the war into Syria and Iran is intimately related to strategic oil and oil pipelines. In the context, the war on Lebanon seeks Israeli territorial control over the East Mediterranean coastline.
While the official reports state that the BTC pipeline will “channel oil to Western markets”, what is rarely acknowledged is that part of the oil from the Caspian sea would be directly channeled towards Israel.
The objective of Israel is not only to acquire Caspian sea oil for its own consumption needs but also to play a key role in re-exporting Caspian sea oil back to the Asian markets through the Red Sea port of Eilat. The strategic implications of this re-routing of Caspian sea oil are farreaching.
What is envisaged is to link the BTC pipeline to the Trans-Israel Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline, also known as Israel’s Tipline, from Ceyhan to the Israeli port of Ashkelon. The objective is that the oil to be sent onward from Israel to the Far East.
Of course Iranian oil would be cheaper, exported via the gulf. Iran has also expanded its trade with China and India. Of course, Iran must be knocked out of the picture to avoid competition with Israel and ‘their oil’.
Also involved in this project is a pipeline to bring water to Israel, pumping water from upstream resources of the Tigris and Euphrates river system in Anatolia. This has been a long-run strategic objective of Israel to the detriment of Syria and Iraq.
Diverting Central Asian oil and gas to the Eastern Mediterranean for re-export back to Asia, serves to undermine the inter-Asian energy market, which is based on the development of direct pipeline corridors linking Central Asia and Russia to South Asia, China and the Far East.
Ultimately, this design is intended to weaken Russia’s role in Central Asia and cut off China from Central Asian oil resources. It is also intended to isolate Iran.
Meanwhile, Israel, who has no oil, has emerged as a new powerful player in the global energy market.
So white people must die in wars for the greater glory of Israel.
This Zionist rip-off will increase global tension. Moscow responded to the US/Israeli design with plans to establish a Russian naval base in the Syrian port of Tartus, which will will enable Russia to solidify its positions in the Middle East and ensure security of Syria. They will be manned and serviced by Russian personnel, which should make teh Zionists think twcie before luanching further wars. Tartus is strategically located within 30 km. of the Lebanese border.
The Iraq War was seen in 2 ways: securing oil or securing Israel. In reality, the war was fought to secure oil through Israel. US foreign policy is geared to make Israel its primary transport route for Middle Eastern and Central Asian oil. This also accomplishes two Israeli aims: ending dependence on US aid and toppling uncooperative neighbors.
Now those arrogant Hebrews in Israel and the US intend to seize pipe routes that are being planned across Southwestern Asia by promoting a war in Iran.
Syria, Lebanon and Iran have chosen pipeline routes that terminate too far north for Israel to benefit. Syria, Iran and Lebanon are the pieces of the oil puzzle that America has not yet taken, hence all the calls for war against these nations.
Israel’s disastrous incursion into Lebanon, as well as american warmongering against Syria and Iran suggest the US will try to complete the puzzle. Once the US controls these three countries, it can begin shipping crude out of Israel’s ports.
Securing oil through Israel means that the US, and the rest of the world, becomes dependent on Israel. Israel would control the tap to our economy. A great plan for securing Israel, a terrible plan for the world. Given their love of money, how long till they squeeze us by the balls? They are counting their shekels as the rest of us pay userous rates. History keeps repeating itself and the liberal remains blind.
In the context of an escalating conflict, these developments have farreaching implications. The development of alternative land based corridors (for oil and water) through Lebanon and Syria would require Israeli territorial control over the Eastern Mediterranean coastline through Lebanon and Syria.
It is worth noting that the US War Academy had already contemplated the formation of a “Greater Lebanon” which would extend along the coastline from Israel to Turkey. In this scenario, the entire Syrian coastline would be annexed to an Anglo-American Israeli protectorate. Israeli Prime minister Ehud Olmert has stated that the Israeli offensive against Lebanon would “last a very long time”. Meanwhile, the US has speeded up weapons shipments to Israel.
The message to the gullible public is that if you want cheap and reliable oil, letsa get rid of the arab oil nations and get it via Israel. We may as well believe if you want cheap diamonds let the Jesih conglomerate control them. Look what we got. Object to this and be labelled ‘anti-semitic’.
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Don't fuck with Iran - forget about the potential nuclear issue, they has NINJAS!!one!!!
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Oh, pfft, it's inevitable, and has been ever since Furious George declared his crusade against the Axis of Evil.
The broken window fallacy may be a fallacy taken in the round, but it's good business for glaziers.
We're down there trolling for a casus belli, not that we really need one. Look at the after-the-fact protests when we went in to liberate our oil that the Iraqis had sneakily hidden under their sandy armpit. Achieved what?
Once you're set up for a permanent state of war, and the inevitable peacenik whinging about it, it's really just about finding the next opponent to expend some JDAM Justice on.
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Ja, Celente is worth listening to as he names the jew. Anything those bandits are behind is usually bad for everyone else.
Celente has argued that if the people behind the global economic disaster had Italian surnames the media would label them a "mafia."
He then goes on to name about a half dozen of the criminals, all of them jewish, and makes a clear analogy between them and a mafia. He reveals news without exposing himself to the usual jew 'antisemite' tirade.
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"Everyone" who matters.
Can't really blame them, they got the shitty end of the stick for a few thousands years. Turn about is fair play.
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Epistle to Jude 1.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Revelation Chapter 3
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Deaths of over 1,000,000 Iraqis and the displacement of 2,000,000 more, and many thousands of solders.
https://www.prageruniversity.com/blog/?p=32
There is always two wars going on within the same war, empowered organizations propagating the mantra's of politicians, the money exchangers and the Law makers, and the dead persecuting the spirit. (Why was the museum of Iraq raided for Sumerian artifacts, didn't Hitler do this kind of thing too?)
Galations Chapter 4.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
False God heads and the dead have risen up against Judea for thousands of years.
Pharaoh's genocide decree between 1391–1271 BCE (Used the name of Moses)
Philistines thought to be from the Aegean region 13th and 12th centuries BC.
Assyrian conquest 8th century BC.
Persian Zarathushtrian conquerors 500 BCE
Rome's involvement in the area dated from 63 BCE, following the end of the Third Mithridatic War, when Rome made Syria a province.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea_%28Roman_province%29
Then the Muslim Ottoman empire.
The English in the 1200's
The Spanish in the 1300's, and obviously -
The Germans, 2nd world war.
Now of course we have the all seeing eye of the new world order surreptitiously departmentalizing the world like the Borg our of Star Treck. Paving the earth with leather instead of putting sandals on.
The decline of the Roman Empire led to the Spanish Inquisition > People deluded by heretics accusing people of being heretics, which lead to the worst torture of human beings imaginable.
Now we have terrorists interviewing terrorists.
Will we ever put sandals on instead of trying to pave the earth with leather?
The evidence suggests we're on the make and on the take, having been lied to and rendered dependable upon pervading powers like capitalism.
Colonial and Spanish crusaders around 1492 went the Americas to exploit prime markets, enslave and use the Atlantic.
We were shown how savage the Indians were.
Many thousands died
European powers went to Africa after the 1884 Berlin conference to exploit prime markets, enslave and use the Congo.
We were told how savage the Africans were.
Many thousands died
We have now destabalized the Arabian basin to exploit prime markets (Prime market coups), and are told how savage the leaders and regimes are there. Sadam, gaddafi, dinejad and Assad.
Many thousands died
Not to mention the opium wars.
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Most if not all humanists that become active and try to stop all this are persecuted or mowed down by the tidal wave of darkness.
Ephesians chapter 4.
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
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| MinhDinh wrote: | Armada of British naval power massing in the Gulf as Israel prepares an Iran strike...MASSING???? must be the yacht club me thinks||||We couldnt mass a pile of leaves anymore.
Battleships, aircraft carriers, minesweepers and submarines from 25 nations are converging on the strategically important Strait of Hormuz in an unprecedented show of force as Israel and Iran move towards the brink of war.
Western leaders are convinced that Iran will retaliate to any attack by attempting to mine or blockade the shipping lane through which passes around 18 million barrels of oil every day, approximately 35 per cent of the world’s petroleum traded by sea.
A blockade would have a catastrophic effect on the fragile economies of Britain, Europe the United States and Japan, all of which rely heavily on oil and gas supplies from the Gulf.
The Strait of Hormuz is one of the world’s most congested international waterways. It is only 21 miles wide at its narrowest point and is bordered by the Iranian coast to the north and the United Arab Emirates to the south.
In preparation for any pre-emptive or retaliatory action by Iran, warships from more than 25 countries, including the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, will today begin an annual 12-day exercise.
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The war games are the largest ever undertaken in the region.
They will practise tactics in how to breach an Iranian blockade of the strait and the force will also undertake counter-mining drills.
The multi-national naval force in the Gulf includes three US Nimitz class carrier groups, each of which has more aircraft than the entire complement of the Iranian air force.
The carriers are supported by at least 12 battleships, including ballistic missile cruisers, frigates, destroyers and assault ships carrying thousand of US Marines and special forces.
The British component consists of four British minesweepers and the Royal Fleet Auxiliary Cardigan Bay, a logistics vessel. HMS Diamond, a brand-new £1billion Type 45 destroyer, one of the most powerful ships in the British fleet, will also be operating in the region.
In addition, commanders will also simulate destroying Iranian combat jets, ships and coastal missile batteries.
In the event of war, the main threat to the multi-national force will come from the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps navy, which is expected to adopt an “access-denial” strategy in the wake of an attack, by directly targeting US warships, attacking merchant shipping and mining vital maritime chokepoints in the Persian Gulf.
Defence sources say that although Iran’s capability may not be technologically sophisticated, it could deliver a series of lethal blows against British and US ships using mini-subs, fast attack boats, mines and shore-based anti-ship missile batteries.
Next month, Iran will stage massive military manoeuvres of its own, to show that it is prepared to defend its nuclear installations against the threat of aerial bombardment.
The exercise is being showcased as the biggest air defence war game in the Islamic Republic’s history, and will be its most visible response yet to the prospect of an Israeli military strike.
Using surface-to-air missiles, unmanned drones and state-of-the-art radar, Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and air force will combine to test the defences of 3,600 sensitive locations throughout the country, including oil refineries and uranium enrichment facilities.
Brigadier General Farzad Esmaili, commander of the Khatam al-Anbiya air defence base, told a conference this month that the manoeuvres would “identify vulnerabilities, try out new tactics and practise old ones”.
At the same time as the Western manoeuvres in the Gulf, the British Response Task Forces Group — which includes the carrier HMS Illustrious, equipped with Apache attack helicopters, along with the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle - will be conducting a naval exercise in the eastern Mediterranean. The task force could easily be diverted to the Gulf region via the Suez Canal within a week of being ordered to do so.
The main naval exercise comes as President Barack Obama is scheduled to meet Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, today to discuss the Iranian crisis.
Many within the Obama administration believe that Israel will launch a pre-emptive strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities before the US presidential elections, an act which would signal the failure of one of Washington’s key foreign policy objectives.
Both Downing Street and Washington hope that the show of force will demonstrate to Iran that Nato and the West will not allow President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian leader, to develop a nuclear armoury or close Hormuz.
Sir John Sawers, the head of MI6, the Secret Intelligence Service, reportedly met the Israeli prime minister and Ehud Barak, his defence secretary, two weeks ago in an attempt to avert military action against Iran.
But just last week Mr Netanyahu signalled that time for a negotiated settlement was running out when he said: “The world tells Israel 'Wait, there’s still time.’ And I say, 'Wait for what? Wait until when?’
“Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel.”
The crisis hinges on Iran’s nuclear enrichment programme, which Israel believes is designed to build an atomic weapon. Tehran has long argued that the programme is for civil use only and says it has no plans to an build a nuclear bomb, but that claim has been disputed by the West, with even the head of MI6 stating that the Islamic Republic is on course to develop atomic weapons by 2014.
The Strait of Hormuz has long been disputed territory, with the Iranians claiming control of the region and the entire Persian Gulf.
Rear Admiral Ali Fadavi of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps recently boasted that “any plots of enemies” would be foiled and a heavy price exacted, adding: “We determine the rules of military conflict in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz.”
But Leon Panetta, the US defence secretary, warned that Iranian attempts to exercise control over the Strait of Hormuz could be met with force.
He said: “The Iranians need to understand that the United States and the international community are going to hold them directly responsible for any disruption of shipping in that region — by Iran or, for that matter, by its surrogates.”
Mr Panetta said that the United States was “fully prepared for all contingencies” and added: “We’ve invested in capabilities to ensure that the Iranian attempt to close down shipping in the Gulf is something that we are going to be able to defeat if they make that decision.”
That announcement was supported by Philip Hammond, the Defence Secretary, who added: “We are determined to work as part of the international community effort to ensure freedom of passage in the international waters of the Strait of Hormuz.”
One defence source told The Sunday Telegraph last night: “If it came to war, there would be carnage. The Iranian casualties would be huge but they would be able to inflict severe blows against the US and British.
“The Iranian Republican Guard are well versed in asymmetrical warfare and would use swarm attacks to sink or seriously damage ships. This is a conflict nobody wants, but the rhetoric from Israel is unrelenting.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9545597/Armada-of-British-naval-power-massing-in-the-Gulf-as-Israel-prepares-an-Iran-strike.html |
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One year from now to the month I am going to bump this thread. |
This chap knows what's going on, he knows it's the Satanists.
The Law makers, the Money Exchangers, The aristocrats the Politicians and the Lobbyists, unconscious having been allured into dark rooms.
Human beings are enslaved to destroy them selves, it goes back thousands of years to the pyramids given rise to by the lies of the nephilim giants in both Asia and South America (They fled there to what was known as the new world after being defeated by Joshua), and to when Satan decieved some of the Immortals.
Today's Satanists are doing the same thing.
If we have no faith we will never believe this, so it will alway's continue.
Satanists use the name of Nimrod AKA Nikos Greek for destroyer.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=257194
Jesus called the Pharisees/Politicians, the Law makers and the money exchangers hypocrites.
Look how the Money exchangers, Law makers, Sadducee's/Aristocrats, Pharisees/politicians, Scribes/False priests have succumb to dominions/own self serving image or false god - only to create/concatenate generational cultural perpetuation of self destructive behavior (Spiritual sleep) They were charged out of the churches only to form secrete organizations. (Duped be evil)
(Today these secrete organizations are numerous, pervasive powers)
<< Matthew 23:13 >>
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
PS. Ignore Dawkins when he says more and more people are turning away from God.
1. He works for the BBC.
2. When we make a statement of Judgement with the words we mindfully construe pertaining to dualism, what we are actually doing is telling others where we are.
This is because in being we're all the same, however mentally and spiritually this is another case.
What the poor soul is telling us is that he is walking away from God.
It's a shame he has to tell millions of people this on the BBC.
Now we know why they covered up Jimmy Savile, the BBC is a propaganda tool used to subjugate with subjectivism and empiricism. (Lies)
Moral and philosophical relativism > my own image.
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