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siblo
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 22 Oct 2012    Post subject: A2 Bike Choices Reply with quote

Hi Guys, I've done my CBT & Theory and now want to do my A2 so I can ride a bigger bike. I'm not doing the DAS because my bike will mainly be for commuting so dont want a massive engine.

SO, what bikes can I ride, I know its upto 33bhp but is there a list somewhere, or do I just pick a bike and restrict it if I have too.

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PostPosted: 23:44 - 22 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of bike you looking for and what kind of riding you are into?
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PostPosted: 05:42 - 23 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: A2 Bike Choices Reply with quote

siblo wrote:
or do I just pick a bike and restrict it if I have too.

I would say this ^^^
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 23 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hang on, how old are you, and how are you intending to get your license?

The current 'standard' bike (121-125cc 100kph+) tests that get you the "A<=25kW" (33bhp) license are only available up to January 19th 2013. You'll really need to get a move on to get them passed in time.

If you miss that date, then your only real options are the new A2 35kW license (19+) or the new A3/A unrestricted license (24+).

There's no point in getting less license that you can afford, if for no other reason than that some insurers will screw you out of entitlement if and when you upgrade it and the DVLA reset your "From" date to when you obtained the new category.

If you can do DAS (either 21+ under the current rules or 24+ from next January), I'd say do it. <Tef>It's a FULL license, not a BIG BIKE license</Tef>. You'll get access to a much wider variety of bikes, including the sensible 500->650 commuters, and don't have to dick around with the hassle of restriction.
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siblo
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 23 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply's guys,

I'm looking for a sports tourer sort of thing, with a more sat up position. NOT a sports bike.

I'm over 40 so the age restriction thing does not apply, but I'm in no rush to get a much bigger bike, might even keep my 125 for another year before moving up.

I just thought doing a 33bhp licence and letting it mature after 2 years would be a cheaper option.

Thanks in advance

Si
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 23 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

siblo wrote:
Thanks for the reply's guys,


I just thought doing a 33bhp licence and letting it mature after 2 years would be a cheaper option.

Thanks in advance

Si


Like Roger has said...that option finishes in january, so unless you wanna be stuck on a 125 forever then youll either need to get all tests done on your 125 by 19th january or take your time but take them on a bigger bike next year.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 23 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

siblo wrote:
Thanks for the reply's guys,

I'm looking for a sports tourer sort of thing, with a more sat up position. NOT a sports bike.

I'm over 40 so the age restriction thing does not apply, but I'm in no rush to get a much bigger bike, might even keep my 125 for another year before moving up.

I just thought doing a 33bhp licence and letting it mature after 2 years would be a cheaper option.

Thanks in advance

Si


I presume you drive? If you do you will be fed up with the 125 in no time. Just get your direct access, you can then get any sports tourer without having to worry about restriction. It will be cheaper in the long run with no faffing around with different bikes, restrictor kits etc.
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siblo
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 23 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok. Point taken

I'll speak to the training guys near me and see what can be done.

So, if I do the DAS now, can I assume it's exactly the same test and process as doing the DAS after January. One trainer led me to believe this when he found out I was over 25 and the staged access didn't apply to me.

Thanks again

Si
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 23 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

siblo wrote:
I just thought doing a 33bhp licence and letting it mature after 2 years would be a cheaper option.

It looks like it is, but then factor in the smaller choice of native 25kW bikes, or the cost of restriction, plus the ongoing insurance hassles.

Also, that 2 year restriction gets old quite fast.

I did it that way, but with hindsight I wish that I hadn't. 25kW is enough for UK road use, but only just.

As far as I can see, at our your age nothing will change with the 'big bike' aka A aka A3 tests between this year and next, except for a small chance that we might go back to a single on-road test rather than split into two modules. However, that'll be independent of the new licensing, and I personally doubt that it'll happen since the driving force behind it has been punted out of the DfT.

It'll still be CBT + motorcycle theory Arrow practical test or tests, and should cost much the same now or then. The only difference is that it might be done on a slightly bigger bike e.g. an ER-6n rather than the last of the 500 twins.

tl;dr version - riding a 125 to get experience or for bargain basement commuting = Thumbs Up
Doing your tests on it when you have another option = Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 01:10 - 24 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive the same predicament as the OP.
Am 31 so the age bits dont apply to me too
Got My own CBF125. used it for 3000 miles basically every day since april & been on some very long journeys (300 miles) trips too.
sat mod 1 on it, came off it on mod 2 broken my arm at the shoulder joint about 3 weeks ago. its going to take my muscles a while to heal properly still. im just gratefull there was someone who knew what to do at the time, as i couldnt move myself. the bike was only slightly scuffed. The weathers not so nice in glasgow in december by the time im fit to resit this/get a slot.

I spoke to the dsa today, if i get a slot great (and i was 80% done on the last outing with 2 minors i was advised before the incident), if not ill just do DAS in springtime intensivley. MY main reason for avoiding DAS is that ive my own bike which is new, and saves a bit on lessons just now. 2 years isnt too long to wait for a derestriction, as the majority of our roads are 30/40 anyway though top speed for me is 55ish, 60 at max throttle/screaming engine since im not so small/light. id like to go faster, though motorway acess would be helpfull for a number of routes i reguarly do. (M8, M74, M77) when i do pass.

thing is after the 3dld bits come in ill sit the same test/route etc for the same money, and never be able to ride on a 600/650cc for example. and if i do ill have to go back to a school to get the lessons to use the bike during the test + , even if i wanted a larger bike entitlement the next day after passing on a 125.

PS daytime tv for a month, back to work monday comming Embarassed
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 24 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

corrsfan wrote:
The weathers not so nice in glasgow in december by the time im fit to resit this/get a slot.

Oh, how I wish I'd taken pictures of my Mod 2. Genuine blizzard, I had to scrape the slush off of my bike to show the front L plate at the test centre (Glasgow, snap). Thing is, I think it helped me. The examiner followed in a car, which I think makes it easier, and I strongly suspect that I got a "You rode here through that?" pre-emptive pass.Very Happy

corrsfan wrote:
2 years isnt too long to wait for a derestriction,

That's what I told myself. To be fair, I didn't start to get properly itchy for a year, but you really do start counting down towards the end.

That said, 25kW is fine for UK road use. Get your license now and buy my GPz305. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

siblo wrote:
I'm looking for a sports tourer sort of thing, with a more sat up position. NOT a sports bike.

I'm over 40 so the age restriction thing does not apply, but I'm in no rush to get a much bigger bike, might even keep my 125 for another year before moving up.

I just thought doing a 33bhp licence and letting it mature after 2 years would be a cheaper option.


So basically you are window shopping - an iminant puchase isn't a near term possibility, becouse you need to get the licence sorted first.

SO that nugget filed, stop wasting time window shopping; get on the theory/hazard revision discs, get on DSA webby and start booking test slots, to get everything in place before January...

After Jan no matter how old you are, testing for 'restricted' licence on a 125 wont be happening for any-one; you'd have to test under das for full A on a big bilke, if they allow it, test on an almost as big bike if they off Direct Access to A2, but that wont automatically upgrade, you'd have to repeat to get the restriction lifted.

As for bikes; my favourite first big-bike at the moment is the Kawasaki ER5... its unfaired commuter-twin, easily restricted to 33bhp, and possibly takes restriction slightly better than more sporty GPz500 its engine is based on, as its already de-tuned 20% for more mid-range & ecconomy, and prices are a bit of a bargain on them at the moment.

The other 'usual suspects' in class as the GS500, CB500, GPz500, SV650.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda Bros 400. Bang on 33 hp. Not everyone's cup of tea, but they seem bulletproof.
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siblo
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, Had a think about options and decided to bite the bullet and do DAS, it was only an extra £120 over the restricted to do now, and there was uncertainty regards options after 19th Jan.

Anyway, Roll on 10th November..... The adventure begins....
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