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EazyDuz
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Cheap heated grips Reply with quote
It has come that time, some budget heated grips.
Does anyone have any experience from these:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FD-Heated-Hot-Grips-Fit-22mm-Bar-Motorcycle-Motorbike-/260881989409?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3cbdc73f21
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-12v-Heated-Motorcycle-Handlebar-Hot-Grip-Kit-Pair-of-7-8-Black-Grips-/300784274101?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item460823cab5
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Diablo-Motorcycle-heated-grips-adjustable-temprature-/150410466259?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item23052993d3
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTRAX-GRIPTRONIC-MOTORCYCLE-HEATED-GRIPS-UNIVERSAL-FIT-FOR-22MM-OR-7-8-BARS-/180986293059?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2a239fab43

the diablo ones seem very popular, would they all be OK for doing the job? I need some winter gloves too tbh, mine are Aldi specials.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
My mrs has the exact same Motrax ones on her ER6. They work OK but only two heat settings and I find the low one is next to useless with thick gloves. It's OK on low on a summer evening wearing summer gloves and it's got a bit cooler though.

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PostPosted: 14:15 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
ive been looking at the motrax ones on ebay, as theyre only £28 delivered i think i might give them a go
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
tom_m wrote:
ive been looking at the motrax ones on ebay, as theyre only £28 delivered i think i might give them a go


Cheapo heated grips are cheapo heated grips.
I fitted a pair of heated grips that cost me £30.

1) Came without any grip glue (which is needed).
2) One grip heated more than the other.
3) The rubber began to de-laminate from the grip after a month.

Oxford do a not bad set that work well.
Hein Gericke do a set too (I think they are Oxford re-branded).
Bothe around £55-65, I think.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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tom_m wrote:
ive been looking at the motrax ones on ebay, as theyre only £28 delivered i think i might give them a go


Cheapo heated grips are cheapo heated grips.
I fitted a pair of heated grips that cost me £30.

1) Came without any grip glue (which is needed).
2) One grip heated more than the other.
3) The rubber began to de-laminate from the grip after a month.

Oxford do a not bad set that work well.
Hein Gericke do a set too (I think they are Oxford re-branded).
Bothe around £55-65, I think.


think i may pay the extra and get the oxford ones, would i be better with the oxford hotgrips or the hotgrips 'light' version for bikes between 50cc-250cc as theyre going on a ybr 125
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
tom_m wrote:
think i may pay the extra and get the oxford ones, would i be better with the oxford hotgrips or the hotgrips 'light' version for bikes between 50cc-250cc as theyre going on a ybr 125


I have Oxford (or are they HG) fitted on a CG125. Work a treat and only pull tiny negligible amps. All lights on and still charges the battery. (I have used my meter on it.)
Heated grips use very small current. About the same as a brake light bulb.
But make sure you wire them using a relay and not just hooked up to the battery like a tard would do. You will come out in the morning to a dead horse. You can fit a little relay easily there are threads on here for it or plastered all over t' Internet.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I like the under-grip heaters. I huave concluded you get what you pay for.

The symtec ones work extremely well.

The cheapo Chinese ones don't get very hot but cost less than 1/10th as much.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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But make sure you wire them using a relay and not just hooked up to the battery like a tard would do.


yeah i used to have some on my aprilia ped a few years back. i was that tard who came out to a flat battery every morning Embarassed , is wiring them to ignition simple? my brother used to think it was funny to turn my grips on when he got home from the pub and then go to bed Mad
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I use R&G heated grips and they work brilliantly, fitted straight on with no need to modify anything, heat up quickly and provide a nice even heat to my hands.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
I like the under-grip heaters. I huave concluded you get what you pay for.

The cheapo Chinese ones don't get very hot but cost less than 1/10th as much.


I ordered some of those last week - to maximise the heat I was thinking of doing a properly bodgey install like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN5nmIWh6BY
(To be used in conjunction with muffs, hopefully it'll be a good winter solution)
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Think ill go with the diablo ones as they seem to sell well.
Also, if they were to break, everything has a years warrenty on it, just send them back.
Oh and superglue is 5 tubes for a quid. Hairspray works just as good.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
tom_m wrote:
yeah i used to have some on my aprilia ped a few years back. i was that tard who came out to a flat battery every morning Embarassed , is wiring them to ignition simple? my brother used to think it was funny to turn my grips on when he got home from the pub and then go to bed Mad


Very simple.

You basically take any 12v switched live on the bike and splice a wire from it and run it to the relay. Then you run another wire from the relay to the (-) on the battery.

Then you wire a wire from the (+) on the battery to the relay.

Finally you power the heated grips from the last terminal on the relay, as if it was the battery.

I can't remember the pin numbers off by heart. Search is your friend... I (and others) have posted how to many times.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
mgh0 wrote:
I use R&G heated grips and they work brilliantly, fitted straight on with no need to modify anything, heat up quickly and provide a nice even heat to my hands.

+1 for R&G - ebay imitation symtecs lasted about 2 months, these have been on since jan. never go higher than 4 of 5 blobs.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
tom_m wrote:

think i may pay the extra and get the oxford ones, would i be better with the oxford hotgrips or the hotgrips 'light' version for bikes between 50cc-250cc as theyre going on a ybr 125


The Oxford light version draws less power than the normal version so are good for smaller bikes with small batteries.

The downside is they only have two heat setting and come with a flick switch which has off, high and low setting. The switch is ideal for mounting onto panels as you would find on a scooter.

The normal grips have a more sophisticated controller with 4 heat settings. The current version has a failsafe if it is fitted direct to the battery and will switch off automatically when the voltage falls below a certain level to avoid damaging the battery.


A new grip is being developed which has 5 heat settings.
It has a new controller design which detects when the engine is not running as it looks for voltage fluctuation caused by the running engine. When it detects the engine is no longer running it will wait a preconfigured time before turning the grips off, so that the grips can be wired to the battery and never run it flat.
These will start to be available in the winter.


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PostPosted: 23:32 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
i got a set of these free with my cbf : RRP £99.99

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Keis-Heated-Motorcycle-Gloves-All-Sizes-/400276896658?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Gloves&var=&hash=item5d325cbb92

utterly fantastic, high setting keeps your hands warm on the coldest winter day. easy connections too - just pulls out of the socket when you get off the bike, wire goes though the back of my jacket Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:48 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Chris750 wrote:

A new grip is being developed which has 5 heat settings.
It has a new controller design which detects when the engine is not running as it looks for voltage fluctuation caused by the running engine. When it detects the engine is no longer running it will wait a preconfigured time before turning the grips off, so that the grips can be wired to the battery and never run it flat.
These will start to be available in the winter.


The above explains EVERYTHING that is wrong with modern design. It's using a hammer to crack a nut, leads to a totally unecessary layer of complexity and means they will be both more expensive to buy and impossible to repair WHEN they break.

The function described above requires nothing more complex than a single SPNO relay that sell in bulk for about 70p each. If you wanted to make it easy to fit for the inexperienced home mechanic, you could incorporate it into the control box and have a flying lead with a plug-through connector for the feed to the front brake light switch (you'll be taking wires up there anyway).

I really do dispair. Some people won't be happy until there is a fucking computer in everything. Even in applications where all you wanted was a simple on-off switch.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
Chris750 wrote:

A new grip is being developed which has 5 heat settings.
It has a new controller design which detects when the engine is not running as it looks for voltage fluctuation caused by the running engine. When it detects the engine is no longer running it will wait a preconfigured time before turning the grips off, so that the grips can be wired to the battery and never run it flat.
These will start to be available in the winter.


The above explains EVERYTHING that is wrong with modern design. It's using a hammer to crack a nut, leads to a totally unecessary layer of complexity and means they will be both more expensive to buy and impossible to repair WHEN they break.

The function described above requires nothing more complex than a single SPNO relay that sell in bulk for about 70p each. If you wanted to make it easy to fit for the inexperienced home mechanic, you could incorporate it into the control box and have a flying lead with a plug-through connector for the feed to the front brake light switch (you'll be taking wires up there anyway).

I really do dispair. Some people won't be happy until there is a fucking computer in everything. Even in applications where all you wanted was a simple on-off switch.


I fully agree with everything you have said, but unfortunately there are large numbers of end users with absolutely no skill or confidence to take on even the most trivial installation. Let alone try and repair anything if it fails. They want simplicity of install and minimum thought.

The price has not increased from previous versions.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Walloper wrote:
But make sure you wire them using a relay and not just hooked up to the battery like a tard would do.


yeah i used to have some on my aprilia ped a few years back. i was that tard who came out to a flat battery every morning Embarassed , is wiring them to ignition simple? my brother used to think it was funny to turn my grips on when he got home from the pub and then go to bed Mad



Something like this here.
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
was on the search again for some heated grips last night and stumbled across a set of these:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OnTour-Original-Motorcycle-Heated-Handlebar-Hot-grips-Brand-New-/330786860499?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4d046eedd3&_uhb=1

apparantly theyre made by oxford?
stuck a bid on and won them for £26.
will let you know what theyre like when theyve arrived and are on, thanks for the info on the wiring! Karma where its due
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PostPosted: 06:34 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Cheap heated grips Reply with quote
EazyDuz wrote:
It has come that time, some budget heated grips.
Does anyone have any experience from these:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FD-Heated-Hot-Grips-Fit-22mm-Bar-Motorcycle-Motorbike-/260881989409?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3cbdc73f21
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-12v-Heated-Motorcycle-Handlebar-Hot-Grip-Kit-Pair-of-7-8-Black-Grips-/300784274101?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item460823cab5
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Diablo-Motorcycle-heated-grips-adjustable-temprature-/150410466259?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item23052993d3
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTRAX-GRIPTRONIC-MOTORCYCLE-HEATED-GRIPS-UNIVERSAL-FIT-FOR-22MM-OR-7-8-BARS-/180986293059?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2a239fab43

the diablo ones seem very popular, would they all be OK for doing the job? I need some winter gloves too tbh, mine are Aldi specials.


Just check your bars - you've got a cruiser haven't you? Maybe have 25mm bars rather than 22mm.

I bought two cheap heated grips on ebay (including the last one listed in your examples) both were relatively easy to fit, only not on my Honda! My brother's Aprilia Pegaso 650 got this one - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTRAX-GRIPTRONIC-MOTORCYCLE-HEATED-GRIPS-UNIVERSAL-FIT-FOR-22MM-OR-7-8-BARS-/180986293059?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2a239fab43&clk_rvr_id=399281763493 - which matches the Italian styling well and are pretty toasty. The other set went on my Sachs 650. I had to buy https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OXFORD-CRUISER-MOTORCYCLE-MOTORBIKE-HEATED-HANDLEBAR-HOT-GRIPS-CHROME-SWITCH-/261094075702?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3cca6b6d36 to fit my Honda Shadow, came with a fitting kit for the bike - got them for £49 though.
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PostPosted: 06:55 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
The above explains EVERYTHING that is wrong with modern design. It's using a hammer to crack a nut, leads to a totally unecessary layer of complexity and means they will be both more expensive to buy and impossible to repair WHEN they break.

The function described above requires nothing more complex than a single SPNO relay that sell in bulk for about 70p each. If you wanted to make it easy to fit for the inexperienced home mechanic, you could incorporate it into the control box and have a flying lead with a plug-through connector for the feed to the front brake light switch (you'll be taking wires up there anyway).

I really do dispair. Some people won't be happy until there is a fucking computer in everything. Even in applications where all you wanted was a simple on-off switch.


Sorry, but thats complete rubbish. Chances are the control box already has a microcontroller in it to generate the PWM signals for the different heat levels. All this is doing is adding a bit more software and maybe a few passive components to sense the supply voltage, it may in fact make it more reliable and cheaper to produce.
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So to sum up this thread, it doesnt matter how much you pay, they are all basically pretty shit regardless.
Dont know why people are poo pooing the cheap sets on Ebay without trying them, if anything they look just as well made as Oxford ones at a fraction of the price.
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Cheap heated grips Reply with quote
EazyDuz wrote:
It has come that time, some budget heated grips.
Does anyone have any experience from these:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FD-Heated-Hot-Grips-Fit-22mm-Bar-Motorcycle-Motorbike-/260881989409?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3cbdc73f21
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-12v-Heated-Motorcycle-Handlebar-Hot-Grip-Kit-Pair-of-7-8-Black-Grips-/300784274101?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item460823cab5
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Diablo-Motorcycle-heated-grips-adjustable-temprature-/150410466259?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item23052993d3
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTRAX-GRIPTRONIC-MOTORCYCLE-HEATED-GRIPS-UNIVERSAL-FIT-FOR-22MM-OR-7-8-BARS-/180986293059?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2a239fab43

the diablo ones seem very popular, would they all be OK for doing the job? I need some winter gloves too tbh, mine are Aldi specials.
whatever..but go for mitts over
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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stinkwheel wrote:
The above explains EVERYTHING that is wrong with modern design. It's using a hammer to crack a nut, leads to a totally unecessary layer of complexity and means they will be both more expensive to buy and impossible to repair WHEN they break.

The function described above requires nothing more complex than a single SPNO relay that sell in bulk for about 70p each. If you wanted to make it easy to fit for the inexperienced home mechanic, you could incorporate it into the control box and have a flying lead with a plug-through connector for the feed to the front brake light switch (you'll be taking wires up there anyway).

I really do dispair. Some people won't be happy until there is a fucking computer in everything. Even in applications where all you wanted was a simple on-off switch.


Sorry, but thats complete rubbish. Chances are the control box already has a microcontroller in it to generate the PWM signals for the different heat levels. All this is doing is adding a bit more software and maybe a few passive components to sense the supply voltage, it may in fact make it more reliable and cheaper to produce.


With MADE IN THE PRC stamped on the packaging I doubt any consideration is given to reliability.
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