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 Al World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 17:10 - 21 Oct 2012 Post subject: I was nearly sold a cat B in a private sale |
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I was offered a bike I asked a question about on ebay at a low price after the auction ended unsold.
I did a HPI check as on the dvla reg checker, it was coming up as an 'S' model and this bike was a naked version.
Anyway it came up as a cat B write off and states that 'the body shell should have been crushed, vehicle should not be on the road'
(I'm guessing the shell is for a car and it means the frame)
Has the guy done anything wrong trying to sell me the bike? he may not know that it's been written off. He has sold a few similar bikes recently although he is not a dealer I think he could be fixing them up. I can see the registrations on some of the old adverts but don't want to spend £15 checking a bike that has already been sold.
I don't want to post the sellers details on here and create a witch hunt as the bike is no longer listed and he isn't currently selling anything else, but would happily report him if it turns out he's a dodgy dealer selling death traps to people. Incidentally all his other feedback is really good with people saying how happy they are with their bikes. ____________________ Yamaha FZR400RR 3tj
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Yes I nearly bought, but I was asking about the seller who nearly sold it.
But thanks anyway I've edited the title so it doesn't confuse you  ____________________ Yamaha FZR400RR 3tj
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Yes, it is a dodgy thing for him to do. Did he do it on purpose though? I would try to get him to pay the costs for your checks - no reason you should pay out on something that shouldn't be sold in the first place!
If he's a dealer then definitely shop him to the oft, if not then it may be just a lack of checks on his part. ____________________ current: ducati monster 750
past: hyosung gt250r, bajaj pulsar 180, hyosung gt 125 comet
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If it never sold and you didn't buy it then whats the problem. If he tries to sell it in the future you know to stear clear. Other people can make their own mind up and do their own checks.
The old adage "buyer beware" springs to mind.
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He is a private seller so as I say it might just be a case of him not checking it which is just his bad luck and thankfully not mine now. He has sold quite few other bikes though, 7 this year and all fairly similar bike Hornets/fazers/bandits ect.
However I don't really understand that if its registered that it should be crushed how is it being taxed and MOT'ed? as surely the information would be linked  ____________________ Yamaha FZR400RR 3tj
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as far as I know if you crash a Cat B your insurance won't pay out, as it shouldn't be on the road in the first place  ____________________ 1992 ZXR 400 |
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There is nothing to stop a Cat B returning to the road.  |
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I remember my first car...austin metro. I bought it at auction mint with 12 months MOT. Thought id got a nice little motor.
12 months later i decide i want a bigger car, part ex the metro at a dealer...drive it to the garage to pick the new one up only to be told the Metro was a previous write off and would not take it off me as px..looked like the previous owner motd it then wrote it off a couple of days later, bought the salvage from the insurers and then repaired it themselves and banged it through auction as a little minter with 12 months mot! (I did wonder how come the paintwork was so mint )
Just shows, you never know what youre buying sometimes, even when it looks legit. ____________________ YBR125 (SOLD) - CBR250R(SOLD) - CBR650F(SOLD) Current - Street Triple
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| Al wrote: | On the HPI report it says-
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recorded as a 'total loss'
Not recorded as a repaired insurance 'total loss'
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So does that mean its not had a vic test or would that not show up on the hpi. |
It wouldn't show. If the seller has the v5 it will say on that. If he doesn't have it, or it is mega old (blue one), it probably won't.
Edit: this ^ part is BS apparently, see above.
| Al wrote: | If its ok to put it back on the road why does it say about the shell/frame being crushed? |
It's for salvage purposes. If you're an insurance company writing off a lot of bikes, you need to categorise them to get their full value from a salvage merchant. By saying cat a, b, c or d, they are making a declaration [to the salvage company] that the bike has a certain intrinsic value.
A lot of salvage is bought blind, by knowing the 'rough' condition of a bike, you can make an assessment of it's worth, and that's all the 'ratings' are.
Because the ratings system is designed to make things easier for salvage companies, it can be confusing when individuals purchase the vehicle. Nevertheless, as said above there is no offense of 'driving a previously written off vehicle' in its own right, nor is there any such question on insurance application forms, because both of these issues are solved by the legal requirement to keep the vehicle in roadworthy condition. ____________________ ZX-6R G2
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 220 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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