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Al
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: I was nearly sold a cat B in a private sale Reply with quote

I was offered a bike I asked a question about on ebay at a low price after the auction ended unsold.
I did a HPI check as on the dvla reg checker, it was coming up as an 'S' model and this bike was a naked version.

Anyway it came up as a cat B write off and states that 'the body shell should have been crushed, vehicle should not be on the road'
(I'm guessing the shell is for a car and it means the frame)

Has the guy done anything wrong trying to sell me the bike? he may not know that it's been written off. He has sold a few similar bikes recently although he is not a dealer I think he could be fixing them up. I can see the registrations on some of the old adverts but don't want to spend £15 checking a bike that has already been sold.
I don't want to post the sellers details on here and create a witch hunt as the bike is no longer listed and he isn't currently selling anything else, but would happily report him if it turns out he's a dodgy dealer selling death traps to people. Incidentally all his other feedback is really good with people saying how happy they are with their bikes.
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nearly sold a cat B in a private sale


So you nearly bought, not sold, a cat b then.....
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I nearly bought, but I was asking about the seller who nearly sold it.
But thanks anyway I've edited the title so it doesn't confuse you Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it is a dodgy thing for him to do. Did he do it on purpose though? I would try to get him to pay the costs for your checks - no reason you should pay out on something that shouldn't be sold in the first place!

If he's a dealer then definitely shop him to the oft, if not then it may be just a lack of checks on his part.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it never sold and you didn't buy it then whats the problem. If he tries to sell it in the future you know to stear clear. Other people can make their own mind up and do their own checks.

The old adage "buyer beware" springs to mind.

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PostPosted: 17:45 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is a private seller so as I say it might just be a case of him not checking it which is just his bad luck and thankfully not mine now. He has sold quite few other bikes though, 7 this year and all fairly similar bike Hornets/fazers/bandits ect.
However I don't really understand that if its registered that it should be crushed how is it being taxed and MOT'ed? as surely the information would be linked Confused
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any links to the listing?
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TomGT wrote:
as far as I know if you crash a Cat B your insurance won't pay out, as it shouldn't be on the road in the first place Thumbs Up


As far as I know there is no legislation stopping any category of written off bike from returning to the road. The DVLA may say so, but what they say is not the law.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is nothing to stop a Cat B returning to the road. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
There is nothing to stop a Cat B returning to the road. Thumbs Up

So, how would you actually get it back on the road? Can you still apply for the v5?
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck knows, but no law stopping it from being taken to the road again.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

grant965 wrote:
##Paddy## wrote:
There is nothing to stop a Cat B returning to the road. Thumbs Up

So, how would you actually get it back on the road? Can you still apply for the v5?


Can't get the v5 until its had a VIC check, but once it's had that you can. Then it's just MOT, tax, insurance as normal.

Edit: this ^ part is bs apparently, see below.

The write off categories are simply guidelines for insurance companies. Providing the bike is roadworthy, it can go on the road, simple as.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the HPI report it says-

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recorded as a 'total loss'
Not recorded as a repaired insurance 'total loss'


So does that mean its not had a vic test or would that not show up on the hpi.
The total loss was recorded in 2005 when the bike was almost new so it seems more likely that the currant seller may not know.
If its ok to put it back on the road why does it say about the shell/frame being crushed?
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember my first car...austin metro. I bought it at auction mint with 12 months MOT. Thought id got a nice little motor.

12 months later i decide i want a bigger car, part ex the metro at a dealer...drive it to the garage to pick the new one up only to be told the Metro was a previous write off and would not take it off me as px..looked like the previous owner motd it then wrote it off a couple of days later, bought the salvage from the insurers and then repaired it themselves and banged it through auction as a little minter with 12 months mot! (I did wonder how come the paintwork was so mint Sad )

Just shows, you never know what youre buying sometimes, even when it looks legit.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikes do not have VIC checks.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al wrote:
On the HPI report it says-

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recorded as a 'total loss'
Not recorded as a repaired insurance 'total loss'


So does that mean its not had a vic test or would that not show up on the hpi.


It wouldn't show. If the seller has the v5 it will say on that. If he doesn't have it, or it is mega old (blue one), it probably won't.

Edit: this ^ part is BS apparently, see above.

Al wrote:
If its ok to put it back on the road why does it say about the shell/frame being crushed?


It's for salvage purposes. If you're an insurance company writing off a lot of bikes, you need to categorise them to get their full value from a salvage merchant. By saying cat a, b, c or d, they are making a declaration [to the salvage company] that the bike has a certain intrinsic value.

A lot of salvage is bought blind, by knowing the 'rough' condition of a bike, you can make an assessment of it's worth, and that's all the 'ratings' are.

Because the ratings system is designed to make things easier for salvage companies, it can be confusing when individuals purchase the vehicle. Nevertheless, as said above there is no offense of 'driving a previously written off vehicle' in its own right, nor is there any such question on insurance application forms, because both of these issues are solved by the legal requirement to keep the vehicle in roadworthy condition.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Bikes do not have VIC checks.


Embarassed Such a noob. I edited my posts.

I guess you just apply for the v5, then?
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cat B usually means a bent frame, but all the parts that bolt on are salvageable
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