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Its how they can do them so cheap. Roger will insist no-one is doing this any more, but its how they get them into the country and on the road avoiding a load of taxes.
You aren't buying a motorbike, basically, at least not a road-vehicle.
What you are buying is a box of motorcycle parts, a 'kit-bike'. As such, it doesn't attract the same excise rate on import.
Then they sell it to you as a box of bits... which basically means the warranty is worthless, recourse 'fit for purpose' is not what you think.... you haven't bought a road vehicle, remember, just a box of bits.....
Then they sell you an assembly service to put it all together......
And an 'Assisted' self registration package...... a set of pre-filled DVLA forms basically, so that YOU can register your 'self built kit-bike' as a road vehicle, avoiding new vehicle duty.......
....and they give a certificate of conformity that having put your kit together for you, the specification is the same as something that is already type approved...l. hence avoiding VOSA assessment and gaining you three year MOT exemption that other 'self built' vehicles have to be subjected to.
All a red tap tax con really..... but means that there's almost no come back on them when in a months time it starts falling to bits...... or in three when its discovered it cant actually pass an MOT.
Because you didn't buy a road-vehicle, as you thought, you bought some motorcycle spares, paid some-one to bolt some bits together, then YOU decided that you wanted to register it for the road.....
As sold, it was like an air-fix model, and you'd have no come-back trying to argue with trading standards that you put it together but it broke first time you chucked it accross the room expecting it to fly!
There's loads of them, and adverts vary, but SO many of them, they say, 'complete with forms for registration' or 'Ready Assembled'
These are euphamisms, if it was sold as a road vehicle, then there would be no need for these 'get-out' clauses in the ads and they would have a simple 'OTR Price' meaning On-The-Road, full taxes paid sold as a road vehicle, fit for purpose.
If they dont give an On The Road price, then you are not buying an on-the-road bike, basically.
Other one to watch, especially on e-bay is the 'Ex-Display' or 'Unused - Registered'..... dealers build them up then 'sell' to an employee who self registers, they then sell it as a 'zero-miles' second hand bike.... you THINK you are getting a brand-new road-vehicle, but in fact you are buying a second hand self-built vehicle, and again, second hand sales rules, essentially sold as seen, up to you to know what you are getting.
But Lexmoto, or their agents, of ALL of them don't do ANYTHING like that, they are so diligently trying to establish the brand name  which is why they include the 'ready assembled' remark in ads not 'On The Road Price' 
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If I were to be buying a new Chinese bike...which I wouldn't. I would get an Jianshe (Also rebranded and marked up by AJS). They are available for £850 and made in a Yamaha factory.
I've got a 5 year old one I got very cheap and although it needs new wheel and steering head bearings and has a little bit of rust, it is still in relatively good condition. It will also do a real 65mph (70 indicated) on the motorway.
The 52mph thing is a lie to comply with Chinese law and they will likely go a bit faster than that.
edit: As Mike said it is a bit of a gamble buying any Chinese bike, but you will usually get a 1 year warranty. I'd personally stick to used ones, which can be picked up with a couple of thousand miles on the clock for under £500...albeit with no warranty.
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Yup, that's a Lexmoto HT125-4F Arrow aka Huoniao/Haotian HN/HT125-4F, but behind the branding it's a Dihao bike, same as my HN125-8. A workmate got one (against my advice, I hasten to add!) and has been perfectly content with it.
The chaps and chapettes over at https://www.huoniao-owners.co.uk/forum/ will be happy to help with any of the Dihao made bikes.
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | Roger will insist no-one is doing this any more |
He'd probably say that he's not aware of anyone still shipping crates to doors. Sad, really, it's a good way to get to know the bike.
Sure, they come into the country in a crate. But Lexmotos are all pre-assembled and interestingly (to me), it looks like Lexmoto are now handling the initial registration as well, rather than giving you the documents and wishing you the best of luck with the DVLA.
So you can add on about £80 to that price, bringing it up to £920 OTR.
If you think this is in any way a dodgy practice, you may want to take a look at the small print on the Japanese marques, since some of them choose to advertise their bikes in exactly the same way. Does that mean they're selling a "kit of parts"? 
By the way, I've seen a suggestion that the endemic fuel pump problems on CBF125s are down to dealers not knowing or bothering to flush out an anti-corrosion coating that's applied to the inside of the tank for shipping, leading to it clogging up the pump. So it's not like "Honda" bikes arrive in the country ready to turn the key and ride away either.
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | there's almost no come back on them when in a months time it starts falling to bits...... |
Steady on, that's a big assumption. Do you actually know of anyone who's been given the brush off like this? In the past 3 years, say?
Lexmoto - and we're talking about Lexmoto here - explicitly offer a warranty and their dealers seem to be OK about honouring them - we've had a few folk saying that they had sometimes substantial remedial work done without problems. I was surprised to hear it, but pleasantly so.
LearnerLegal, where I got mine, also offer a written warranty and do support their customers, although I've always been careful to note that the small margins mean that practically speaking, it's going to be on an "as far as we can afford to" basis.
They both say that they want to see a service history from a VAT registered garage, although LearnerLegal at least don't actually care.
If you think Lexmoto are selling kits-of-parts rather than bikes, then you might want to take it up with the MCIA, since they're happy to list "new registrations" from Lexmoto, in numbers that put them square in the middle of the Japanese and European marques.
Do I think it still makes more sense to spend your money on a used Japanese bike? Yes, probably.
Do I think that Lexmoto are selling kits of parts with no warranty? Not in this decade.
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | Its how they can do them so cheap. Roger will insist no-one is doing this any more, but its how they get them into the country and on the road avoiding a load of taxes.
You aren't buying a motorbike, basically, at least not a road-vehicle.
What you are buying is a box of motorcycle parts, a 'kit-bike'. As such, it doesn't attract the same excise rate on import.
Then they sell it to you as a box of bits... which basically means the warranty is worthless, recourse 'fit for purpose' is not what you think.... you haven't bought a road vehicle, remember, just a box of bits.....
Then they sell you an assembly service to put it all together......
And an 'Assisted' self registration package...... a set of pre-filled DVLA forms basically, so that YOU can register your 'self built kit-bike' as a road vehicle, avoiding new vehicle duty.......
....and they give a certificate of conformity that having put your kit together for you, the specification is the same as something that is already type approved...l. hence avoiding VOSA assessment and gaining you three year MOT exemption that other 'self built' vehicles have to be subjected to.
All a red tap tax con really..... but means that there's almost no come back on them when in a months time it starts falling to bits...... or in three when its discovered it cant actually pass an MOT.
Because you didn't buy a road-vehicle, as you thought, you bought some motorcycle spares, paid some-one to bolt some bits together, then YOU decided that you wanted to register it for the road.....
As sold, it was like an air-fix model, and you'd have no come-back trying to argue with trading standards that you put it together but it broke first time you chucked it accross the room expecting it to fly!
There's loads of them, and adverts vary, but SO many of them, they say, 'complete with forms for registration' or 'Ready Assembled'
These are euphamisms, if it was sold as a road vehicle, then there would be no need for these 'get-out' clauses in the ads and they would have a simple 'OTR Price' meaning On-The-Road, full taxes paid sold as a road vehicle, fit for purpose.
If they dont give an On The Road price, then you are not buying an on-the-road bike, basically.
Other one to watch, especially on e-bay is the 'Ex-Display' or 'Unused - Registered'..... dealers build them up then 'sell' to an employee who self registers, they then sell it as a 'zero-miles' second hand bike.... you THINK you are getting a brand-new road-vehicle, but in fact you are buying a second hand self-built vehicle, and again, second hand sales rules, essentially sold as seen, up to you to know what you are getting.
But Lexmoto, or their agents, of ALL of them don't do ANYTHING like that, they are so diligently trying to establish the brand name which is why they include the 'ready assembled' remark in ads not 'On The Road Price' |
 [u]abosollute bollocks.......[/u]
cbt's are are a useful way For females of smaller stature to get on the the road, as well as blokes on the small(er) side.
NOT EVERYONE HAS TO WORK TOWARDS A FULL LICENCE yet.....
As for chinky bikes, i got a fully
assembled (ok, i went over it thoroughly as i didnt know who PDI'd it) & tbh, apart from a few loose bolts it was fine ) 125 delivered to my door. no paperwork, nothing. i DID have to go pay for a number plate though, at 12 quid. (remember this was Scotland, no docs needed) FOR 900 QUID, I DONE APPROX 9000MILES IN LITTLE OVER A YEAR (through a scottish winter, worst for 100 yrs), SOLD IT, (NOT LOSING ANY MONEY) & ITS STILL GOING (6 or 7 yrs later!.
not all chinky bikes are bad.
ok, i replaced a few consumables, & a footrest holder after i dropped it, but the honda cbr125 one was a direct replacement. (like alot of the outer clothes, like panels etc)
not everyone wants a full licence thats what the CBT comes in handy for.
this preaching, "get a bigger bike" pass your test" dont buy chinese" is only the opinion of a few narrow minded people (bcf is full of them & those who jump on the bandwagon), who have little or no experience of chinese bikes,
i have owned, ridden, fixed/repaired umpteen (at least 60+ & never had too many issues,plenty spares & manuals out there, just look a bit harder & be prepared to get the tools out a bit more often.
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Chinese bikes aren't all that bad imo, ive owned 2, first beign chituma ctm 125 cg copy, went well would keep up with friends cbr125 just about, i abused it every single night it lasted a few months and i siezed the engine, next was a chituma gy126 off road cg engine, used it every day on and off road small jumps and such never had any engine issues, never had bits fall off just had the odd small thing such as broken panels which are widely available.
currently looking for another gy125 for the winter 
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Owned about 20 chinese bikes, possibly more. Only one was a real sh1tter. And another had a brand new engine that started to whine inside a month.
Other than that, I think chinese can be fine. Had a road legal monkeybike for a while and after the initial suspect loosening of certain things, I never really had a problem.
Great to learn spannering on, because they are so very cheap. I'm glad I went chinese before anything else tbh.  |
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The current, and I think the new tests specify that a 125cc must be capable of 100kph, which is 62mph and allows you to (theoretically) get up to the NSL single carriageway speed limit.
So get that and you may not be able to take test on it, so really a waste of money.
From this government site for A2 licence... | Motorcycle Practical Riding Test wrote: | ...Sub-category A2 (standard motorcycle)
A sub-category A2 motorcycle is a solo motorcycle between 121 and 125cc.
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Not really something that is going to be checked. On my A2 I don't think I went much above 50 or 55mph. |
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| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | | map wrote: |
The current, and I think the new tests specify that a 125cc must be capable of 100kph, which is 62mph and allows you to (theoretically) get up to the NSL single carriageway speed limit.
So get that and you may not be able to take test on it, so really a waste of money.
From this government site for A2 licence... | Motorcycle Practical Riding Test wrote: | ...Sub-category A2 (standard motorcycle)
A sub-category A2 motorcycle is a solo motorcycle between 121 and 125cc.
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Not really something that is going to be checked. On my A2 I don't think I went much above 50 or 55mph. |
It most certainly is checked. If you turn up for your A2 module (1, 2) on only an A1 capable bike, you will only get an A1 certificate. I've been there and they indeed check it. Best to desticker it and scream at the top of your lungs "It's a Honda! It's a Honda!" as you walk into the test center.
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I'd quite like one of these with a 300cc kit as an oddity bike. Just wish they were cheaper, they run 3k new.
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Chinky bikes are getting better if you buy carefully and take care of them. They are becoming more of an option as the big manufacturers are charging ~4k for a fucking 125. KTM are charging 3.8k for a Bajaj built Indian bike that they don't even bother putting decent tires on before bringing it over here. I thought the new 125/200 mini Duke would make a nice commuter, and being indian made would be affordable. However for the price you may as well get a GT650 Hyosung.
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I'd go for a Lexmoto Street instead of the Arrow.
The Street can actually do proper 125 speeds, is a lot bigger and quality is 'slightly' better.
It's a carbon copy of the Suzuki GS/EN 125. Identical frame and engine design.
Price depends on the dealer, but I got mine for £999 OTR.
I know most people wouldn't want a Chinese bike, but if I had to own one again, I'd spend the extra £150 on the Lexmoto Street.
Plus you can only do the A1 bike test on the Arrow, which is useless for anyone wanting to move onto 33 bhp.
The Street IS on the A2 list; passed my A2 on one anyway.  |
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Have to admit, I was damn happy with my chinese 125 I got for £500, second hand, 2000 miles on clock, at the time only 3-4 months old as the 'big' fella just wanted it to nip to work but ended up getting a car lol.
BUT it was so cheap to run, and insure etc.
I can see why alot of peeps go for them,
they're cheap new, they're cheap to run, and quick easy way to get transport, and not everyone's got money to fly around to pass tests and get bigger bikes, some just wanna get around!
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