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PostPosted: 22:40 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Mod 1 Compulsory Gear Reply with quote

Hello

I was told by my instructor that if a candidate turns up to their Mod 1 without correct gear - in this instance, gloves - they will be turned away and lose their test and fee.

Problem is, my gloves are biker gloves but badly restrict the movement of my clutch hand, causing me to stall a lot - not something I can afford to do when attempting my already weak U-turn manoeuvre.

Are there any slim and thin non-movement restrictive gloves I may get that would be approved for the test?

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PostPosted: 04:38 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what you mean. Feeling is a big part of the mod 1, especially for new riders.

Try Lidl, they have some thin-ish Motorcycle gloves at £12.99 If you can find one with stock that is.

Failing that, get to a J&S and do what Mk1 just told ya.

£20 would about cover it. Wink
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PostPosted: 06:02 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Mod 1 Compulsory Gear Reply with quote

KingKong wrote:
I was told by my instructor that if a candidate turns up to their Mod 1 without correct gear - in this instance, gloves - they will be turned away and lose their test and fee.


Not sure that is correct, as the only thing you're legally required to wear is a helmet and something to cover your dangly bits (and that's not bike law Wink ).

I'd ring the test centre to confirm.

However, you'd have to be a nut not get some gear that fits if you're going to be riding afterwards.
Also whilst they possibly can't chuck you out of the test as such for turning up in a lid and speedos, you can bet they'll be looking for any excuse to fail you. Don't even think about it for mod 2 where attitude seems to be more important than what you actually do.....
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PostPosted: 06:25 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Mod 1 Compulsory Gear Reply with quote

defblade wrote:
Also whilst they possibly can't chuck you out of the test as such for turning up in a lid and speedos,


They can, and already have done to someone who posted on here. They brought in some new rules that state if you're not wearing the correct safety gear, you will be turned away.
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PostPosted: 07:09 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

plus it will impress the examiner that your serious unlike someone turning up in jeans and trainers.
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you even own gloves that restrict your clutch movement? I'd be getting something a little thinner if I were you. As said, you do need to dress appropriately as it's Health and Safety and that place is a 'Place of Work'.
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnPhonEh wrote:
Why do you even own gloves that restrict your clutch movement? I'd be getting something a little thinner if I were you. As said, you do need to dress appropriately as it's Health and Safety and that place is a 'Place of Work'.


For the examiner, yes. Not for the student undergoing the test. That'd be like saying I needed to wear PPE to go into Tesco.

I would be interested to see what guidance (and I feel an foi request coming on) that DSA issue to examiners regarding 'correct safety gear', given that the only compulsory items are a helmet.

Certainly on the mod 1, I could see no reason why an individual turning up in trackies and trainers should be failed simply because they don't pass an arbitrary attitude test.

Wear what you like, as far as I'm concerned. Free(ish) country, n' all that.
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well..

Few mates went for the mod1 and 2 recently.

All but one wore boots, he got turned away for having trainers.
All wore heavy jeans, none of these ripped things, big black jeans.
All wore textile jackets, gloves and helmets.

Suggest you wear all of the above.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

multijoy wrote:
For the examiner, yes. Not for the student undergoing the test. That'd be like saying I needed to wear PPE to go into Tesco.


But you are under their care and if you hurt yourself, it is them that will have to give first aid. It may be Mod 1 but it is possible to come off on things like the Emergency stop. Coming off at 30mph without proper gear can do damage. It's really not worth it to anyone involved to not have the proper gear.

When you're on your own and doing your own thing, you're free to wear what you want.
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may be me - but why even risk being turned away / failing for clutch control for a pair of gloves you can pick up on the high street for a tenner.

Excuse the rudeness, but a bloody daft question.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

janner_10 wrote:
It may be me - but why even risk being turned away / failing for clutch control for a pair of gloves you can pick up on the high street for a tenner.

Excuse the rudeness, but a bloody daft question.


I wouldn't take any such risks at all. But have been told that not any glove will suffice so I want to make sure I get it right Smile

Thanks for the helpful tips from some of you concerning which gloves and from which store Smile
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can ask anyone in this thread who is being a priggish, self-riteous safety nazi if they wear boots, leathers and gloves on their pushbike? Which is the sort of speed we're talking about.

If you have a car, do you have a 5-point harness fitted?

If not, I suggest you shut the fuck up.

I personally feel the DSA would be totally exceeding their remit in insisting on anything other than statuatory safety equipment. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if they are.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Can ask anyone in this thread who is being a priggish, self-riteous safety nazi if they wear boots, leathers and gloves on their pushbike? Which is the sort of speed we're talking about.

If you have a car, do you have a 5-point harness fitted?

If not, I suggest you shut the fuck up.

I personally feel the DSA would be totally exceeding their remit in insisting on anything other than statuatory safety equipment. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if they are.


It's nothing to do with being a safety-nazi. At the end of the day when I'm out on my own I'll wear the minimum amount of gear the weather will allow, which has been shorts, T-shirt and trainers (with gloves.) I believe people can do what they want within the law, and should do as they feel. But it's like visiting a warehouse with tall shelving, you may not work there, but you have to wear a hard hat and other PPE as dictated by the site.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Can ask anyone in this thread who is being a priggish, self-riteous safety nazi if they wear boots, leathers and gloves on their pushbike? Which is the sort of speed we're talking about.

If you have a car, do you have a 5-point harness fitted?

If not, I suggest you shut the fuck up.


The thing is, if you fall off a pushbike, they generally don't weigh much so if you were to do the mod 1 stuff on one and fall off, not much is going to happen apart from a few grazes. Do the same on a motorbike (same conditions), and fall off with 120Kg of bike with lots of pointy out bits and hot exhausts sliding down the course on top of your leg and its going to be a bit messy if you're in lycra. Do the same course in a car and there's not a great deal you could do to injure yourself. I personally don't give a toss what people wear on the road, but I do see that the test centres want to minimise bad publicity due to anyone getting hurt when doing the tests.

I see it more as common sense, you want to pass so you should try and make a good impression and remove any doubt from the examiners mind that you're going to be a hazard to yourself or others after he/she gives you a license to ride something even faster, just like you'd wear a suit to a job interview even for a job that doesn't require one.

stinkwheel wrote:
I personally feel the DSA would be totally exceeding their remit in insisting on anything other than statuatory safety equipment. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if they are.


Here is the post where someone did fail due to inappropriate clothing: https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=231179&highlight=failed+footwear
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They definatley tell you to bugger off in trainers on a mod 1. My instructor lent a lad a pair of boots yesterday and I've heard of it before. Also, I don't ordinarily do 60kph on my pushbike Wink
To the OP, buy some it makes no sense having gloves you can't use. But if you can't afford, surely your instructor/bike school can help you out with a loaner?
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bomberman wrote:
They definatley tell you to bugger off in trainers on a mod 1. My instructor lent a lad a pair of boots yesterday and I've heard of it before. Also, I don't ordinarily do 60kph on my pushbike Wink
To the OP, buy some it makes no sense having gloves you can't use. But if you can't afford, surely your instructor/bike school can help you out with a loaner?




I have done, I was wearing trainers a vest and bermuda shorts. The law states you need to wear a helmet, personally I don't think they should be able to tell you what to wear full stop. If you are wearing a helmet you are legal. I'd like to see what the basis for kicking them off the course is.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.dft.gov.uk/news/stories/dsa-news-20110616

First thing to come up on a google for ''appropriate clothing module 1 motorcycle''.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

I personally feel the DSA would be totally exceeding their remit in insisting on anything other than statuatory safety equipment. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if they are.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were worried that on the basis they had put someone in a more stressful situation and were "under the examiner's control" that they could be liable if they hadn't taken appropriate extra safety precautions.

Hell, for the truck test I had to wear a high-vis jacket.
The only bit outside the truck is at the start on the DVLA testing area which nobody else is allowed in while a test is in progress.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

hedgehugger wrote:
https://www.dft.gov.uk/news/stories/dsa-news-20110616

First thing to come up on a google for ''appropriate clothing module 1 motorcycle''.


There they go again, making up laws that don't exist.

"In all cases it’s a legal requirement that riders wear an approved and correctly fastened motorcycle helmet, with suitable eye protection ."

No it's not. Helmet, yes. Eye protection, no.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see this debate from both sides.

But........... playing devils advocate....... If your 17 year old son or daughter were to have an accident on their test dressed in only the legally required helmet and then suffered some fairly preventable injuries whilst under the scrutiny of a professional Examiner, I reckon some of you would be posting some "blame claim" posts.

Just my opinion!!
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for them failing people for not riding in safety gear.
Mind you i'm 45 and old enough to realise the dangers of falling off even at low speed.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Izzbust wrote:
I can see this debate from both sides.

But........... playing devils advocate....... If your 17 year old son or daughter were to have an accident on their test dressed in only the legally required helmet and then suffered some fairly preventable injuries whilst under the scrutiny of a professional Examiner, I reckon some of you would be posting some "blame claim" posts.

Just my opinion!!


Examiner, not instructor. They tell you what to do, not how you should do it. That's left up to you and they tell you at the end if you did it right. That's how a test works and short of you doing something overtly dangerous (such as turning the wrong way up a sliproad), it should be allowed to carry on.

What I would have an issue with is making new riders deliberately ride a CG125 as fast as they can make it go, through a light-gate and directly at a traffic cone and expect them to miss it. This one piece of fuckwittery makes any comments or lecturing by the DSA on safety during tests frankly laughable. Really, what the fuck did they think was going to happen? And why a cone and not a painted circle or a piece of paper? Might as well be a fucking concrete block if you're going to clip it while attempting to turn sharply

If my 17 year old were to fall off on his MOD1, I'd go down casualty and take the piss. Maybe take a nice wee dress and tiara for him to wear on the ward. Good job I don't have a 17 year old really, it'd probably be taken off me.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnPhonEh wrote:

But you are under their care


I'm not sure about that. It's an assessment, not a lesson. Whilst they (probably) have a duty to not order you to fall off, the assumption is you turn up prepared for the test. There is no 'care' beyond the usual limits of negligence.

If I want to turn up in a mankini, flip flops and the smallest certified helmet I can find, I adopt that risk. Indeed, one could argue that making an assessment of my riding based solely on my attire is a breach of 'ooman rights, in the same manner that wearing a hoody is not good grounds for a stop/search. Unless, of course, the DSA can demonstrate that the wearing of a mankini is a strong indication of poor riding ability.
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