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doggone
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PostPosted: 07:26 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: German angst Reply with quote
The Germans still don't like to reminded of past military adventures.
This has touched a nerve (but cleverly raised the profile of a mediocre song)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV_vlVDtpE0
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 10 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I feel I must post some real music to address the imbalance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lixDK_tMEhE
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 11 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
What an unusual video! Couldn't help but watch.
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
is that supposed to be morrigan at 2:46
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I love Germany, I have many friends there. Also I have politically beliefs that are slightly to the right of Atilla. Perhaps I ought to move there Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I love Germany, I have many friends there. Also I have politically beliefs that are slightly to the right of Atilla. Perhaps I ought to move there Thumbs Up
Or contact Kradmelder and see about a billet in South Africa? Wink

I too like Germany and the my work colleagues over there. Odd bunch that can dress very informally for work but are very formal when addressing each other and management. The German sense of humour is sometimes strange too.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
jet engines I thought Frank Whittle was then man behind them, germans built rockets !
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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jet engines I thought Frank Whittle was then man behind them, germans built rockets !

First operational jet airplane, as in actually flown by an air force, was German, Messerschmitt Me262. Pipped the Gloster Meteor by weeks iirc. I blame history and building Airfix models in my youth Very Happy Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
map wrote:
but are very formal when addressing each other and management.


It's soo true. I've been to Germany.

It's all hallo Herr ..... und Frau ....

There's two ways of speaking a polite form sie and the du form for when you are mates or addressing kids.

It's really weird when you hear people speaking, even in the office some people are mates with each other and talk in the du form, some people speak in the sie form. This even within a conversation of 10 people.

It's soo weird, I would forget who I was matey with or wasn't. You have to ask at some stage if you can speak in the du form and once you start you can never go back.

A german guy was telling me his boss speaks to the big boss in the du form. This was a real big deal.

At work we had a German guy come over and couldn't get used to calling the local boss by his first name.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I love Germany, I have many friends there. Also I have politically beliefs that are slightly to the right of Atilla. Perhaps I ought to move there Thumbs Up


your views are correct

Those values built white society.

The english language has no formal term, like Du and Sie. In afrikaans anyone like 10 years older than you gets Oom or Tannie added in addressing them (to a white person). To a black person you would say mama or madala.

Respect has died out.

It also depends on the german you grew up with. Prussian german you always say Sie unless a friend. A bavarian would say du.

I grew up with Sie, Tannie and Oom. To address an adult by first name, or a teacher, deserved a backhand.

I would never ever call my parents by name. or their family. To do so means deserveing picking up my teeth as a disrepsectful punk. Now that I am a parent, my kids have the same. Let the the hebrewood manners stay amongst their own. Dont spread them to us.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
kawakid wrote:
map wrote:
but are very formal when addressing each other and management.


It's soo true. I've been to Germany.

It's all hallo Herr ..... und Frau ....

There's two ways of speaking a polite form sie and the du form for when you are mates or addressing kids.

It's really weird when you hear people speaking, even in the office some people are mates with each other and talk in the du form, some people speak in the sie form. This even within a conversation of 10 people.

It's soo weird, I would forget who I was matey with or wasn't. You have to ask at some stage if you can speak in the du form and once you start you can never go back.

A german guy was telling me his boss speaks to the big boss in the du form. This was a real big deal.

At work we had a German guy come over and couldn't get used to calling the local boss by his first name.


Not so wierd for me. To me wierd is americans calling everyone by christian name. Like I dont even know you.

At least the british use Mr until they know you. The yanks treat you like long lost brothers from day 1. WTF? I dont even know you
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kradmelder wrote:
Respect has died out.


No it hasn't.
Now that so many people abuse the word "respect" is has become worthless.

Respect is still there, just means fuck all to society apart from the "old school" who remember what it's like to have a "straightener" without knives/guns/15 ambushing rats.
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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At least the british use Mr until they know you. The yanks treat you like long lost brothers from day 1. WTF? I dont even know you


Hmm perhaps on the phone we do.

But certainly at work, from the chairman to the cleaner it's always firstname. Even when I am the interviewer at work, I always make it clear it's first names.

At school I was called by last name by the teachers, this has now totally gone, I have sons at 3 schools and with them all it's first name. (The teachers will still be referred to as Mr, Mrs or Miss though).

When someone addresses me as Mr, I think I have done something wrong.

One thing I find now, is that you don't know people's surnames, at work you'll say what's Steve in accounts surname?

Kradmelder, you'll hate this link, I don't live there, but this is the way it is going here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2222991/Brighton-Council-plans-remove-Mr-Mrs-titles-documents-protect-citys-transgender-community-offence.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
kawakid wrote:
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At least the british use Mr until they know you. The yanks treat you like long lost brothers from day 1. WTF? I dont even know you


Hmm perhaps on the phone we do.

But certainly at work, from the chairman to the cleaner it's always firstname. Even when I am the interviewer at work, I always make it clear it's first names.

At school I was called by mast last name by the teachers, this has now totally gone, I have sons at 3 schools and with them all it's first name. (The teachers will still be referred to as Mr, Mrs or Miss though).

When someone addresses me as Mr, I think I have done something wrong.

One thing I find now, is that you don't know people's surnames, at work you'll say what's Steve in accounts surname?

Kradmelder, you'll hate this link, I don't live there, but this is the way it is going here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2222991/Brighton-Council-plans-remove-Mr-Mrs-titles-documents-protect-citys-transgender-community-offence.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


You american?

I find it a bit of a put off when some yank who could be my kid, has never met me, and wants to call me by christian name, but that is their culture.

Here young whites call me Oom. But is is falling away. Blacks still say Baas (falling away), or sir, never by christian name.

Nor would I ever address an old person, black or white by christian name. For a white Mr, for a black madala with no name.

your link is horrible. for the minority of queers Mr Mrs and Miss must fall away??? who cares if gays are offended? do they care who their behaviour offend? let them be offended.

I always thought the removal of Miss and Mrs for Ms was offensive towards women. in waht way has i changed anything? Other langauges have a term ( Herr Frau, fraulein but these days women get offended being called Fraulein) (Meneer Mevrou mejuffrou). So why must the english remove it? Why bend over for the queers?
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dead simple here.

Generally it's polite to use 'Sie' when meeting someone new or talking to a stranger (supermarket, on the tram, whatever). If the person is younger than you, then you can use 'Du' immediately.
Then it is up to the recipient how to respond. If they use 'Du' then you know how things will be from then on and will always talk in the informal - their response acts as an invitation, in a way. If they use 'Sie', however, then it...

Ah Christ it isn't always dead simple here.
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