road tax debate

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okay, so i know theres pleanty of political minded people on here.

so, road tax, should we charge those from other countries to use our roads?

imo

yes, and if any of them kick up a fuss and go on strike, tell them to fuck off and source those goods from else where, even if it costs a little more, surely the increased income from the added road tax would outweigh the increased supply cost?

and eventually for example, if the french truckers went on strike, they'd eventually cave because of loosing out when we go else where.

so, whats your arguements for and against this? looking for genuine reasons with actual repurcusions, not insults and god only knows what else.

wanting to learn a little on this one so have at it and let the debate start.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

As long as you are prepared to have the same or worse treatment done by other countries against the UK. And as there are roughly 100 non UK bods for every bod in the UK.

All the best

Keith
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i mean more like commercial drivers.

the big trucks from overseas come in to the uk with a larger weight than uk vehicles are legally allowed and cause damage to the roads, yet are not charged to repair the damage said trucks cause.

if other countries wanted to do that and i went abroad then fair enough.

a temporary road "permit" or whatever would be acceptible
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[Kickstart]

Hi

It opens a whole can of worms for other countries doing the same, and no reason why they would limit it to trucks. Advantage of putting the duty onto fuel is that it applies to anyone who refuels.

Possibly illegal under EU law though.

All the best

Keith
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[mentalboy]

You'd do far better to put your energy into asking why it is that those with new cars pay little or no road fund licence. It doesn't take a genius to work out that if the current scheme continues then in ten years time there'll be huge numbers of vehicles that don't pay - thus greatly reduced revenues.
Why is it that I already pay far more for my 'lil ol' bike than many four wheelers who spend much of their journey stationary chucking out fumes and who cause far more impact upon road surfaces than my two wheels?
Why does the post office not accept email copies for insurance when renewing road fund licence when insurance companies are moving towards eliminating hard paper trails?
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as a point to refueling, alot of the overseas trucks also have larger fuel capacity tanks to avoid paying uk prices.

so they get around fuel charge that way.

it may open a can of worms but its one thats surely worth a trail.

as for eu law, 2 simple words followed by 2 letters,

FUCK OFF EU!

government needs to learn that phrase and use it ALOT more.

the government is meant to be running a country, not a bloody charity where anyone can come over and avoid paying to use our roads.

fact is, these companies ect want to do business, and if they want to keep that business they will pay the necessary charges deemed fit by those in power,

its just those in power are all bollockless idiots.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Just as the UK trucks could go over there and be more profitable if they were not paying UK VED.

Basics of the EU make sense, to standardise things. Including basic regulations on fair trade. Sure they go OTT on things, but not sure I would regard fair trade as one of those things

All the best

Keith
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[Ronin]

Lorries coming over also carry belly tanks under the trailer aswell .

I think I am right in saying the ferry companies ask that lorries carry the minimum fuel needed when getting on the ferries.No one does.

I feel no lorries from over sea's need to be in this country .They could just drop the trailer at the port and the ferry companies could load and unload them.And we could do the same .

That would mean work for drivers in this country .But also no lorries coming into this country with no insurance or mechanical problems or running on bald tires.Or people with no license like the 2 16 year olds who got nicked in tottenham a few years back having driven from some east European shit hole.

[mentalboy]

Trouble with banning foreign wagons over here would be that the first thing Europe would do is stop English wagons over there, our Euro business is probably just as big as the foreigners coming in.
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[Rogerborg]

One of the (many) problems with Jeanny Foreigner hauling food and goods into the country is that it tilts the playing field against local UK production being hauled at UK fuel prices.

If the EU was in any way serious about a level playing field for trade, then fuel duty and VAT would be standardised across Europe.

Instead we get law after law after law that have got sod all to do with the original purpose of the EEC. What the chuff have human bleedin' heart rights got to do with trade?
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[.Chris.]

Plans are afoot for the very thing you're on about.
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[daemonoid]

In Germany and a few other European countries HGVs have to pay to use the autobahns/motorways. There are little pay points at many of the service stations.

Cut the domestic tax and add these things and whole lot is sorted and even.
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[Knot600RR]

Increase any charge and I'm pretty certain that the only people who'll feel the impact will be the end consumer. We need to alter our prices to allow those foreign trucks (and our own) to fill up here at competitive prices.

[bladerunner]

Uk based trucks have to buy tax in the eu! They can buy short use tax but we in the uk allow eu trucks to use our roads for free! Why? If you land in France or Spain and your uk tax is due to run out whilst over there then they will also do you and inform the uk gov of the fact....that is they will charge you tax to be abroad AND you must also have current UK tax.....go figure!
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