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PostPosted: 13:49 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Steering Wheelies Reply with quote

So, I can now sufficiently keep the front wheel off the ground for a reasonable amount of time.

How do I start to steer them? I'm not talking about crazy amounts just a little bit to keep the wheelie on course etc.

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PostPosted: 14:27 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:33 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use your rear handlebars obviously Rolling Eyes Razz

I see them turning their wheel at the front which seems to alter the weight slightly to turn, but could mess up on land I guess
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

watch superretards on youtube and you will see how they alter their path
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You lean, but move your body as well.

Turning the bars is just to keep you balanced. Cos if you turn the front wheel, half of the wheel goes left, half right so the weight is still centred as it balances.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

HD wrote:
You lean, but move your body as well.

Turning the bars is just to keep you balanced. Cos if you turn the front wheel, half of the wheel goes left, half right so the weight is still centred as it balances.


However the rotational inertia of the front wheel would lead it in the direction that its pointing? I dunno, i'm no physician. Just a thought.

I see people stick their knee out as to help the weight transfer in the desired direction... maybe try that.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

hijacking your thread but...
what is the easiest way to wheelie?
I am worried about dropping the clutch and taking the bike too far over and wrecking it Sad
Never ever had an accidental power wheelie either, previous bikes, thundercat, '05 z750 and current bike is a '03 daytona 600
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

HD wrote:
Turning the bars is just to keep you balanced. Cos if you turn the front wheel, half of the wheel goes left, half right so the weight is still centred as it balances.

Once the front wheel becomes airbourne it can still be used to steer the direction of the bike. It is effectively a gyrowheel and by varying the orientation of it's axis, the direction of the bike can be determined.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

grant965 wrote:
hijacking your thread but...
what is the easiest way to wheelie?
I am worried about dropping the clutch and taking the bike too far over and wrecking it Sad
Never ever had an accidental power wheelie either, previous bikes, thundercat, '05 z750 and current bike is a '03 daytona 600


Don't worry about over cooking it. Unless you're really nailing it, once the front comes up for the first time you'll shit yourself and put it back down. It'll feel like you 12 oclocked it... really you may have gotten the front wheel a foot off the ground.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought this topic was going to be about when people racing somehow wheelie while still leaned over coming out of a turn Laughing always wondered how they do that!
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 27 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

grant965 wrote:
hijacking your thread but...
what is the easiest way to wheelie?
I am worried about dropping the clutch and taking the bike too far over and wrecking it Sad
Never ever had an accidental power wheelie either, previous bikes, thundercat, '05 z750 and current bike is a '03 daytona 600


First thing you want to do, is find yourself a straight bit of road that's national speed limit with a set of traffic lights on it or a place where you can safely stop and rejoin the road.

Practise canning it in first gear, accelerating harder and harder earlier each time and get used to the feeling of the front coming off the ground and putting it back down again. Make sure you sit right back in the seat. The bike will lift the front on the power in first, I had one and I did! If its not coming up on the power, you need to sit further back and stop leaning over the front.

Keep doing this, until you're keeping the wheel off the ground for a couple of seconds and try to get the front up as much as you can.

Once you're used to that feeling, accelerate to about 40mph in second gear. When you get to 40, accelerate hard and just flick the clutch. Don't worry about flipping it, you won't. You probably won't even get the wheel off the ground. Once you've done that, do it again but give the throttle a tiny blip when you slip the clutch. Keep practising that with the blip getting bigger and bigger, until you start to raise the front consistently and to a consistent height. Make sure you cover the front brake, and if you have any moments, USE IT!

That is the trick ^^. Just everwhere you go and get a small bit of a straight or whatever, clutch the front up. Its not about being on the back wheel for ages at that point, and if you rush it, you will stack it.

When you get good at that you'll naturally want to accelerate into the wheelie when the front comes up and gradually they will get bigger and bigger. A good place to aim to get the bike to, is so the clocks are on the horizon, and don't worry about the bike being to high until you have to look round the side of the fairing.

Don't think you can learn to do it over night, because you can't. Its taken me 4 months odd, of regular practise to get to the point of being able to keep the front off the ground for 10 seconds at a decent height. The only thing that's letting me down now is me not being able to steer the bike very well and so having to put the front down to regain steering.

Its a long process, and I am by far no expert but I do intend to keep practising until I am!
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget life savers when you switch lanes Wink
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wheelie tutorial that I found most helpful

Edit: As well as yours 0l0dom0l0 Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:

Make sure you cover the front brake, and if you have any moments, USE IT!


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PostPosted: 18:57 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyro. wrote:


Thinking Thinking


Haha just noticed that but meant the rear brake Smile
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

grant965 wrote:
hijacking your thread but...
what is the easiest way to wheelie?


for me, it's between walking and running speed, shut throttle off, and snatch it back open, then blip/featjer throttle, and cover back brake in case I over cook it -


this has worked on hornets and fazers, I haven't actually tired on my Sertao or XR.

Sertao I suspect will be a sod to wheelie, and the XR - I'll wait until I'm in a muddy field and keep falling off it till I get it. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to be able to wheelie indefinitely before you consider trying to steer and change lanes etc.

But once you are comfortable sitting at a set speed on the back wheel, you can use counter steering to change lanes etc.
Only while the front wheel is still spinning though.
On the YZF450, after about 3/4 mile, the front wheel would eventually stop spinning, meaning you have to lean / hang off to change lanes on the bike.
It also makes landing it a little interesting, especially when doing triple figures.



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PostPosted: 21:17 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
You need to be able to wheelie indefinitely before you consider trying to steer and change lanes etc.



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PostPosted: 21:25 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, since selling the 450F, I've not bothered with them. I can manage 2nd to 4th on the R1, but cant settle down with speed, so keep accelerating, which isn't nice. Once it gets to about 140, I put the front down. DO NOT LIKE. Neutral
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

apply weight to the turn side foot peg.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:

It also makes landing it a little interesting, especially when doing triple figures.


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PostPosted: 20:53 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this thread a guessing game or something?
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paullec wrote:
apply weight to the turn side foot peg.


This is how you do it, weight the pegs, don't pull on the bars, move your body about but do it subtely, not diving about and panicking.

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PostPosted: 01:08 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
Is this thread a guessing game or something?



Not entirely sure what you're getting at there?
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nickdiable wrote:

You're braver than me... by a loooooong way!



To be fair, on the R1, it's not that bad. It's loaded up with an Ohlins damper. Plus, I cant keep the front wheel up long enough for it to stop on that bike either. Not to mention the fact I'm picking it up at 3 times the speed than I was on the YZF450, so it takes forever and a day to stop spinning.

As long as you land with the bars straight, it's pretty safe.



That video further up, here is the stretch of road. I was going to stay on past that junction, but I passed police heading the other way, so like a fanny, I dropped it down and came off.

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