3DLD update

[Rogerborg]

Promoted as (nobody laugh) Safety improvements for motorcyclists. Really.

I can't find the alleged legislation (either Bill or SI) on the Parliament site, no doubt it'll turn up eventually.

DirectGov has some blurb, still to be confirmed by Parliament, but it's essentially a given at this point.

On licensing, direct access to A2 will be at 19, and the only benefit to having passed A1 appears be allow skipping theory before doing the A2 test. So, that'll "improve safety" by ensuring that 17 year olds do a CBT, get their R125 and ride it for 2 years on L plates without any more training or tests, good one, very well thought through.

On test vehicles, A1 bikes will only need to be capable of 55mph, but A2 must "be at least 395cc capacity [and] have an engine power between 25kW (33 bhp) and 35kW (46.6 bhp)".

Stupid ignorant worthless mouse nudging prats, that's training schools well shagged then if the DSA actually enforce that. They'll either have to run 2 fleets of big bikes (and only the GS500, G650GS and NC700S/X are natively in that range anyway) or use some form of quick-switch restriction to restrict their full power A bikes down to 35kW for A2 candidates.

Nothing about change to provisional entitlement, nothing about a possible training route to upgrade licenses.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[Alpha-9]

Da fuq https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/PracticalTest/DG_201147

lol mopeds have to be 28mph max now? Was that really necessary

They've taken something complicated and made it even more complicated. Hurr.
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Fzr-600 1999

[Rogerborg]

[MotorbikerTom]

So 250's will pretty much be rendered useless? If the A1 has to be on a 125, the A2 has to be on a bike above 395cc, i doubt someone will do their A2 test on a 500 then go down to a 250.

I say we should expect a cbr400 and zx 400 if this goes ahead.
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CBT: 19/02/11 - Mod 1: 27/03/11 - Mod 2: 01/04/11
'97 GS500E > '03 Hornet 600 > '16 Street Triple 675

[Rogerborg]

[MotorbikerTom]

Yeah, you can't restrict a bike that is over 100kw/ 132bhp so pretty much 600 sportsbikes may not be on the cards for restriction.

I'm just glad i've got my license and my restriction will last 1 more year before i can get anything, rather than having to do more tests afterwards!
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CBT: 19/02/11 - Mod 1: 27/03/11 - Mod 2: 01/04/11
'97 GS500E > '03 Hornet 600 > '16 Street Triple 675

[Themightyimp]

It's a shame that they've not added to the CBT to make learners more RD savy.As in you have to do your theory test before you can do your CBT.As Roger has mentioned before.

[Redoko]

How do these people have jobs?
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"Let's face it, this is not the worst thing you've caught me doing."
Sudika Sportsman SK50QT > Gilera DNA50 > Honda CBR125 RW7 > Kawasaki Zephyr750 > Suzuki GSXR600 > Honda Hornet CB600F '51

[Pete.]

[MotorbikerTom]

Yeah, if you check the link to the DirectGov website it says 'If the engine power of the motorcycle has been restricted to fit sub-category A2, the normal unrestricted power cannot be more than 70kW.'

So i was wrong thinking it was 100kw, which means hornets and fazers will be out of the picture of A2 as well
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CBT: 19/02/11 - Mod 1: 27/03/11 - Mod 2: 01/04/11
'97 GS500E > '03 Hornet 600 > '16 Street Triple 675

[herulach]

[st3v3]

[MotorbikerTom]

I think it will more stop the big 4 making new 250 models e.g cbr 250, ninja 250, the new suzuki inazuma.

Either way i think this will definitely have a negative effect on new riders, in the way there will be even less of them
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CBT: 19/02/11 - Mod 1: 27/03/11 - Mod 2: 01/04/11
'97 GS500E > '03 Hornet 600 > '16 Street Triple 675

[Rogerborg]

[herulach]

[Rogerborg]

[Jerry Cann]

Everytime that the DSA/British government think up new laws to fleece bikers they try to blame Brussels.
The truth is that every country in Europe has a different motorcycle test.
Germany has the worst system where it costs about 3,000 euros to obtain a bike licence, the candidates have to do a certain amount of riding in the rain to get their licence, if it does not rain for months then they can not get a licence.
The uk comes second with the dangerous swerve test.
At the other end of the scale, Spain and the spanish people love motorcycles so, everything is done to encourage people onto bikes and through their tests in the country.

[GREENI3]

[Jerry Cann]

The swerve test is not too much of a problem on a 125 or in the dry, the problem comes when on the wider big bike on a cold wet day, there is no allowance for weather conditions, on a cold and wet day there is no chance to warm the tyres up first.
There have been a lot of accidents in the swerve test, nearly all on big bikes in the wet.
I have to say I have not been involved in bike training for a year now so maybe the accident rate in the swerve test improved in that time, I can only speak from my experience up to a year ago.

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[CaNsA]

Bollocks to the swerve test bitching.

Its not difficult, in fact it is piss easy.
If you cant do it then you shouldn't be on the road.

It is prolly the only semi-decent change that has been made.....

[herulach]

[Rogerborg]

[herulach]

[Bubbs]