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maxp
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

Hi guys, I know this is basic, but I just wanted to clarify as I couldnt find any mention of it in the highway code and wanted a bit of confirmation!

So, if im riding in a 30mph zone, and I can see there is a national speed limit sign 20 metres ahead, I take it I must wait until i am level with the new speed limit sign before I can accelerate from 30mph? (The 30 -> national sign is just an example)

I heard someone mention that they should be doing the increased speed by the time they reach the increased speed limit sign, which is what got me confused!


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PostPosted: 21:22 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

short answer is yes.

if you're in a 30 zone you 'should' only do a maximum of 30.. no ifs no buts.

so if the speed limit changes to a higher one you 'should' accelerate only when you are in said limit change
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't listen to the the person that told you otherwise. The limit begins at the sign, not before.

Now, it you are talking about REDUCING speed then, yes, you should be at the lower speed when you get to the sign, not after.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

maxp wrote:
I must wait until i am level with the new speed limit sign before I can accelerate from 30mph


Don't forget the mirror check. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

maxp wrote:
...I must wait until i am level with the new speed limit sign before I can accelerate from 30mph?...

To repeat others, yes.

As also said when entering 30mph (or 40 or 50 or 20 etc) you aim to hit the limit at the sign. IIRC some advance riding instructors place great importance on doing this.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

qb78 wrote:
maxp wrote:
I must wait until i am level with the new speed limit sign before I can accelerate from 30mph


Don't forget the mirror check. Thumbs Up


And gay "lifesaver" Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
And gay "lifesaver" Rolling Eyes


Agreed but it will all help on the Mod 2.
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never did the lifesaver but did mirror checks when changing speeds on my Mod2 and didn't get any minors in that area Thumbs Up

As others have said... wait until you're level with the sign and then increase your speed. In reality most people speed up before... but on your test wait until you're level with the sign.

- get level with new limit sign
- quick mirror check
- increase speed
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:

And gay "lifesaver" Rolling Eyes


No lifesaver is necessary when changing speed on the straight, whether on test or not Confused
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

DonDino wrote:
keggyhander wrote:

And gay "lifesaver" Rolling Eyes


No lifesaver is necessary when changing speed on the straight, whether on test or not Confused

If you're increasing speed like 30mph plus then;
Test - necessary, not on test - good idea Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

Bomberman wrote:

If you're increasing speed like 30mph plus then;
Test - necessary, not on test - good idea Thumbs Up


Nope. Not necessary on test. I was not taught to do lifesavers when entering a higher or lower speed limits, only mirror checks. I never did lifesavers in this kind of situation when taking lessons, neither did I do them on test - and we did go on 40mph and NSL. And I passed.

I don't even see the necessity of it. If you're not changing direction or lane, a mirror check should be more than enough.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

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I don't even see the necessity of it.

When you realise you aren't necessarily the fastest vehicle on the road you may get it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

DonDino wrote:
Bomberman wrote:

If you're increasing speed like 30mph plus then;
Test - necessary, not on test - good idea Thumbs Up


Nope. Not necessary on test. I was not taught to do lifesavers when entering a higher or lower speed limits, only mirror checks. I never did lifesavers in this kind of situation when taking lessons, neither did I do them on test - and we did go on 40mph and NSL. And I passed.

I don't even see the necessity of it. If you're not changing direction or lane, a mirror check should be more than enough.

Not this one again.I was taught on DAS to head check when increasing or decreasing speed.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

Themightyimp wrote:

Not this one again.I was taught on DAS to head check when increasing or decreasing speed.



Just mirrors for changing speed.


Lifesaver for moving direction though.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

Blurredman wrote:
Themightyimp wrote:

Not this one again.I was taught on DAS to head check when increasing or decreasing speed.



Just mirrors for changing speed.


Lifesaver for moving direction though.

Just saying what I was taught mate.I had it drummed into me,change of speed headcheck.
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

Themightyimp wrote:

Just saying what I was taught mate.I had it drummed into me,change of speed headcheck.



Then you got taught over precautiously. I'd advise demanding a full refund Wink
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

Themightyimp wrote:
DonDino wrote:
Nope. Not necessary on test. ...I never did lifesavers in this kind of situation...And I passed....
Not this one again.I was taught on DAS to head check when increasing or decreasing speed.

Me too.
Explained as giving a clue to anyone behind you.

Also to check blind spot for those wanting to get past the idiot biker (perhaps more so if he/she is displaying L plates).
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

Blurredman wrote:
Themightyimp wrote:

Just saying what I was taught mate.I had it drummed into me,change of speed headcheck.



Then you got taught over precautiously. I'd advise demanding a full refund Wink

Or i got a better deal,I was taught more for my money. Wink
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

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Or i got a better deal,I was taught more for my money. Wink


I wasn't taught at all, I could say I had the most for my money Laughing Laughing But maybe you will live for longer??? Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

map wrote:
Me too.
Explained as giving a clue to anyone behind you.

Also to check blind spot for those wanting to get past the idiot biker (perhaps more so if he/she is displaying L plates).


If you're checking your mirrors frequently though you should have clocked anyone who could potentially overtake whilst they were still behind you.

I never shoulder check when speeding up on any road with only 1 lane when going in each direction.

On a motorway or dual carriageway, maybe.
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
map wrote:
Me too.
Explained as giving a clue to anyone behind you.

Also to check blind spot for those wanting to get past the idiot biker (perhaps more so if he/she is displaying L plates).


If you're checking your mirrors frequently though you should have clocked anyone who could potentially overtake whilst they were still behind you.

I never shoulder check when speeding up on any road with only 1 lane when going in each direction.

On a motorway or dual carriageway, maybe.


This. Can't see the point of doing shoulder checks when accelerating, change of lane or direction then yes obv. But going from a 30 to NSL, WTF for?

All these over pre-cautious shoulder checks some people seem to teach, concentrate on the road FFS - smacks of just trying to impress examiners.
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PostPosted: 07:59 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Accelerating from a marked 30mph limit to a 60mph limit. Reply with quote

Bomberman wrote:
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I don't even see the necessity of it.

When you realise you aren't necessarily the fastest vehicle on the road you may get it Thumbs Up


So you're saying you should do a lifesaver on speed change limit because there might be someone sitting in your blind spot waiting to overtake you?
Aside from the fact you should probably know that already if you've been doing frequent mirror checks as you ride along, does that mean you should do a lifesaver every time someone might be overtaking you? In this case you'd spend the entire trip doing lifesavers, as there's always people willing to overtake even when you're doing the limit in a single-lane single carriageway.
As J.M. and janner_10 above say, I don't see any point in it if you're not changing direction or lane.
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the point about mirrors/lifesavers, I would say it's especially important to do the mirror checks and possibly lifesavers when coming down to a lower speed. That's when the idiot behind you talking on the mobile may go through or around you at speed.

There's an off ramp near me that has a 30 sign half way through and absolutely no one, not even grandmas on the way to church on Sunday, do any less than 60mph at that point. My instructor said the examiners sometimes take people down there on the mod 2 and if there's some bored looking white van man a foot behind your tail, don't try to do 30. Screw the test; don't die.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, this is what the DSA want. This is how instructors should teach it.

Changing speed you carry out a MIRROR check only.
Changing your position from centre of lane MIRROR and LIFESAVER.

It is a waste of time doing a lifesaver if you are not moving left or right. The point of a lifesaver is to check your blind spot before you move into it.

Why would you check a blind spot when accelerating or slowing down? You are not moving across into it, you are carrying on down the centre of your lane, therefore a waste of time!

Instructors have started to teach pointless, time wasting checks to students, you want to be looking forward, not behind you. I've taken students to test, taught by other instructors, who do a lifesaver before moving off at a green light - pointless.

You will not pick up even a minor for changing speed without a lifesaver because that is how it should be taught.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A girl I know got caught doing 40ish on the run up from a 30 zone to a 60.

Plod had a hand help speed camera and was waiting to catch people on that stretch!
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