Could the rider have avoided this accident?

[illuminateTHE...]

Could the rider of the r125cc avoided it, poor obs? what would you have done..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kUEE-Z5hoEk

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[Redoko]

Saw the kid running from miles off.

He should have slowed down to expect him to run across. As he did.
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Yes. Going too fast for the conditions. Damp road, zig-zags, two pedestrian crossings, cars parked down one side of the road and a traffic light controlled, staggered crossroads with filter lanes.
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100% the riders fault.

while the kid shouldnt have ran across that is what kids do.

should not have been going so fast, and personally, i'd have tried to get more central in the lane not so close to the island.

could have been avoided?

yes

the rider should have been alot more aware of his surroundings, should have riden to the conditions, slowed for the lights and expected something to jump out on the crossing.

i feel sorry for the kid, he looks terrified standing on the island.
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[bikertomm]

Kid was a lucky cunt he wasn't a bus!

Could have been avoided, hindsight's a bitch I guess.


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[gixerstu]

I dont know what the cbt is like now (long time since I done it) but thats the reason I thought there should be a bit on hazard perception like the theory test.
Are Young riders without any driving experience still allowed out on the road with only a days training and a provisional liscence ?
Thats an expensive way to learn a lesson at least nobody looks hurt.

[snikks]

As everyone else said really, Kid is visible from miles up the road, the rider was going too fast for the conditions and didn't even slow until the kid had already run out - part of being a good driver/rider is attempting to predict others errors and that was a glaringly obvious one.
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[BravoCharlie]

[Vracktal]

I'll admit, watching the video I didn't notice the kid until he got to the pedestrian crossing, but in my defence I was looking at all the ars expecting one to cut across him or something. In the real world I reckon I would have noticed him sooner though.

And tbh I think it's a bit of both their fault, kid should have been taught green cross cade before being let out unsupervised, biker should have known better than to be speeding on slippery tarmac and not predicting the kid stepping out, and for locking the brakes.

Although I confess I have locked the rear wheel before, deliberately when pedestrians walk in front of me without looking, even at low speeds it makes a super loud screeching which is way more dramatic than the feeble horn. Plus it's fun watching them all scatter like pigeons!

[Turkish]

Rider doesn't react at all until the kid is nearly directly in front of him. Dude needs to open his eyes.
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That bike cant have been traveling anything more than 25 to 30mph.
It slid for about 2 meters before stopping. You can slide that far on your knees on a tiled floor.
If he had been going 'too fast', the bike would of slid a whole lot further.


I think I'd be asking the kid where he lives to march him home to demand some money off his farther.


If that'd been a car pulling of of a junction. Whos fucking fault would it be then?

Just because it's a pedestrian, doesn't make him innocent by default.

Same with stupid fucking cyclists. But they always seem to get away scott free when they bounce off the bonnet of a car, causing damage to it.



Ben

[covent.gardens]

I know not to try and judge speed by how it looks. I've experimented with several different cameras in cars and bikes and some make 100mph look like you're going 60mph, others make it look like you're going twice as fast as you actually are. Totally depends on the camera and the lens.

More reliable is looking at how far that bike was under braking for, and how far it slid. That tells me it wasn't going as fast as it looks. I think he's definitely doing under 30 by the time that kid steps out. The kid ought to have seen him if he had looked properly.

Not perfect riding by any means, but then he is an L-plater so he's obviously got some things to learn. But the kid is old enough to know how to cross a road safely and he totally failed. If it was a car he might be in hospital now. 50/50 blame.

[BravoCharlie]

its not necessarily about putting the blame on someone, but the rider could have avoided it.

so could the kid of course, he could have walked. we'll never know his reasons for running though.


i did think i saw some guy wearing a shellsuit with a cigar in his mouth seconds before he binned the bike though...
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[Magnet]

Several cars had already crossed the rider path ahead so he should have been paying more attention. Could easily have been avoided with less speed/better obs. On the other hand shit happens and luckily no one was hurt (much) .
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[mysterious_rider]

Too much front brake. Rider error for sure. Kid is friggin retarded though. Watch the spastic run.

[Seb]

The rider needs an equal dose of paranoia and attentiveness there. If I see something pointing towards my path I'm on the brakes and fully expecting it to do it's damnedest to wipe me out. Seems the safest way to be these days sadly
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[chris-red]

He ditched it to avoid the kid IMO, nothing to do with the brake. Bottom line he was going too fast crossing or not that junction before would have given me cause to slow down.
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That bike wasn't going 20 when it hit the ground. I've crashed at about 20, bike slid and hit curb with enough force to flop over. I've crashed at about 30 and bike slid a good 10-20 metres (part slightly downhill). A bike on its side isn't very grippy. Only if there is a steep upward slope we can't see does a higher speed make sense.

Rider error though. A momentary lack of concentration at the wrong time, this is the result. It's why biking is tiring - if it's not for you, you may not be seeing everything you should.
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Hi there

Watched the vid many times.

The main issue I could see is not seeing the child as a hazard as he approached the crossing. Going into the junction was not bad or to fast, but he should have seen the child was running towards the crossing and slowed a bit and been ready.

Children will always do things that seem stupid to us while it seems ok to them until they get run over.

Children are also not That good at judging the speed of vechile's on the road.

[janner_10]

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Learner bike and learner type obs - far too fast for a soaking wet road.
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Said it before, I'll say it again.

I think ALL (motorised) road users should have to take (and pass) a theory test before they're allowed on the road, with the exception of a learner DRIVER supervised by an INSTRUCTOR.

So pass the theory & hazard perception before you can take a CBT.
Or go driving with your dad.


If they were riding on L plates having done just a CBT, which I would take a bet they were being a 125cc, then they will not have the experience or the knowledge. At least a hazard perception test would make them aware of stuff like that.



Back to the video, could see the kid running a long time before he got into the road. Should ALWAYS expect the unexpected, and be prepared to react to it.

Yes they shouldn't have ran into the road without looking, but kids do stupid things. It could have been a dog, or a deer on a country lane, or anything really. Have to be able to stop or at least react.

Could have done an avoidance like on the Mod1 test and probably avoided him fine without dropping the bike, but inexperience and probably hasn't ever practiced something like that.


Good job they're both ok, if that was a lorry or a bus kid would maybe be dead.

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