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Fifteen15
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Electronically folding mirrors for filtering? Reply with quote

I was filtering today and nearly clipped a cars mirror with my mirror. It got me thinking, why isn't there a mod where you press a button and the mirrors electronically fold in? Then when you're at the front of the queue you press the button and they open up again.
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because if you're getting close enough to clip mirrors now, when they electronically fold in you'll be getting close enough to clip your bodywork and knock yourself off instead Wink
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
Because if you're getting close enough to clip mirrors now, when they electronically fold in you'll be getting close enough to clip your bodywork and knock yourself off instead Wink
+1
Just had a look on the Bandit, and the mirrors are with millimetres of the same width as my Renthal bar Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Electronically folding mirrors for filtering? Reply with quote

Fifteen15 wrote:
I was filtering today and nearly clipped a cars mirror with my mirror. It got me thinking, why isn't there a mod where you press a button and the mirrors electronically fold in? Then when you're at the front of the queue you press the button and they open up again.


It's funny that you post this - I've been thinking the same thing over the last week or so and I've been looking into making/obtaining brackets that allow me to fold my mirrors up (not electrically!)
I'm thinking to rotate them upwards - so they're still usable (i.e. the mirror is still facing me, rather than rotating it around)
(The NC has awesome mirrors for field of view, but they're a bit too wide for filtering through the tighter gaps, especially when it's two large vehicles with mirrors at the same height)
I found these:
https://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=357336
...so went off and found these:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221058960637
I reckon a bit of bodging would allow me to modify my existing mirrors.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
Because if you're getting close enough to clip mirrors now, when they electronically fold in you'll be getting close enough to clip your bodywork and knock yourself off instead Wink


Not always so, my biggest issue is filtering between 2 vans/4x4s - their mirrors are invariably at my height, so I can't get between them, handlebars/bodywork has acres of room. (This situation happens multiple times a day, I filter up the A13 and into central London, so having folding mirrors would be a massive help.

(Wasn't so much of an issue on my ER5, but I want the best of both worlds - good field of vision [wide mirrors] when cruising on a main road, and [usable] folded mirrors when filtering through tight traffic)
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
Because if you're getting close enough to clip mirrors now, when they electronically fold in you'll be getting close enough to clip your bodywork and knock yourself off instead Wink


Not really, i usually find that the mirrors on my bikes seem to be the same height as the mirrors on cars and quite often have to do a little left-right shuffle to squeeze through. If the mirrors on the bike were folded in it would actually give about 200mm more clearance overall because the next widest point is the handle bars and they are well below the height of a wing mirror on most cars
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the recent vlogger threads I came across one where the biker had 'memory mirrors'. They could be folded in for filtering and then when pushed back they'd remember their position for road use.

Never seen these before so can't say if OE or aftermarket.

Failing that I've always considered the mirrors the widest part of the bike. They are slightly wider than the panniers. If the mirrors fit through the gap then the rest of the bike follows.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because you have hands, don't be lazy

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PostPosted: 18:11 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
Because you have hands, don't be lazy

I'd rather do it myself than make my battery


To be fair, the electric argument does have merit- it's safer to 'thumb' a button and have the mirrors return to their positions - rather than having to fanny around with each mirror individually.
But aside from that, I want my mirrors to fold up, not around (so they're still usable, just narrower)
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:
To be fair, the electric argument does have merit- it's safer to 'thumb' a button and have the mirrors return to their positions - rather than having to fanny around with each mirror individually.
But aside from that, I want my mirrors to fold up, not around (so they're still usable, just narrower)


Agreed. Trying to get your mirrors set up perfectly whilst riding is a pain.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Weight (and weight in a silly place) and cost for minimal gains for many people are probably the reasons (many countries do not allow filtering).

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:13 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's the height that's the issue, rather than the width, why not switch to some folding bar-end mirrors? Extra bonus, the bar end mirrors will contact the cars and fold in before your handlebars hit them and get forced over.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Electronically folding mirrors for filtering? Reply with quote

Often thought about this before.

Did do it with my hands, but the whole point of the filtering is to save time.

Also, once had to quickly return hands to bars with muffs, but missed and ended up having to control bike through thick muffs.

It's the width that's the issue generally. I'd prefer to have mirrors the rest of the time given the choice, but for really tight filtering the extra width can be an issue.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if removing your mirrors and adding mirrors to your helmet would be a viable solution?

https://www.snowmobileforum.com/attachments/used-snowmobiles-parts/182d1073762358-helmet-mirror-arai-shoei-suomy-shark-mrrforum3.jpg
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
I wonder if removing your mirrors and adding mirrors to your helmet would be a viable solution?

https://www.snowmobileforum.com/attachments/used-snowmobiles-parts/182d1073762358-helmet-mirror-arai-shoei-suomy-shark-mrrforum3.jpg


That would definitely screw my eyesight! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
Because if you're getting close enough to clip mirrors now, when they electronically fold in you'll be getting close enough to clip your bodywork and knock yourself off instead Wink


My fat-arse panniers are about six inches wider on each side than my mirrors so that wouldn't help! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my fav subjects Cool

Firstly i want that lid with the submarine mirror that lets you see behind, although you have to get the knack of it afaik.

My current solution is.

Get the handlebars you want, and have them the size you can or want, as in not too wide, i had to sell the streetfighter bars i bought as they were too wide, and cutting them would of meant not enough room for controls.

One Oberon 60 mm bar end mirror in the up position, it sticks out only about 20 mm more than rng bar ends.

The above is 35 quid, and they are much better than the pair of rip off ones at 17 quid, purely through being smaller and having DECENT internals, cant say if convex and mould are any different. Ive had the rip offs, so not just speculating.

On the left is one rng bar end.

Central on the flyscreen is a riderscan.

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PostPosted: 19:54 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
I wonder if removing your mirrors and adding mirrors to your helmet would be a viable solution?

https://www.snowmobileforum.com/attachments/used-snowmobiles-parts/182d1073762358-helmet-mirror-arai-shoei-suomy-shark-mrrforum3.jpg


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PostPosted: 20:26 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

covdude wrote:
One of my fav subjects Cool

Firstly i want that lid with the submarine mirror that lets you see behind, although you have to get the knack of it afaik.

My current solution is.

Get the handlebars you want, and have them the size you can or want, as in not too wide, i had to sell the streetfighter bars i bought as they were too wide, and cutting them would of meant not enough room for controls.

One Oberon 60 mm bar end mirror in the up position, it sticks out only about 20 mm more than rng bar ends.

The above is 35 quid, and they are much better than the pair of rip off ones at 17 quid, purely through being smaller and having DECENT internals, cant say if convex and mould are any different. Ive had the rip offs, so not just speculating.

On the left is one rng bar end.

Central on the flyscreen is a riderscan.

Idea Thumbs Up

https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e53/covdude/2012-09-25140536.jpg


Is it holding up at motorway speeds?
I was looking for a decent bar end mirror for ages.
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mirrors are custom, ( came withbike ) they're like a ball and socket style joint, firm enough upto like 90mph, ( not that i go that fast Rolling Eyes ) but they're flexible at the touch of a finger ,so i can put my in while filtering, which smoetimes i do, as they are alot wider then handle bars so worth it for me.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont know, i dont really do more than 80 .. lol

They will be fine, Oberons are high end bar end mirrors afaik, and are about 80 quid for a pair.

17 quid Hk rip offs do a fine job, but are 70 mm and the internals are poor quality, but well worth getting, unless you want just one mirror, then just spend the extra 15 quid est, on the oberon 60 mm.

Fyi ... not fav subject attall, more like bought loads of mirrors and bars and pissed about loads, so imo i have a good solution and therefore advice, which if taken and appeciated, makes up for the pissing about.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and yes as above - on my GSXR, folding the mirrors in made the bike a nice chunk narrower as the bars were fairly narrow. The mirrors stuck out the furtherest of any point on the bike.

But also, the bar ends which are the next point can be easily turned to avoid car mirrors etc, which the mirrors can't be.

I believe when cows was arguing that his 100 was better for filtering I found that the GSXR was actually listed as similar or narrower than the 100!
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tbf no links, but i did find a fair few decent folding ones, and even some good Hk rip offs, but decided the folding and reajusting of them would piss me off, but they are a good and valid solution for some and many and worth considering, dependent on your use, travel , commute etc.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSXR:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/18968307/gsxrmirrors.jpg
A little more difference if the bars were straight as I did it to the lever.


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PostPosted: 22:30 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely adding an electrical mechanism to the mirrors would make them less rigid and useless against high wind speeds.
You would have to bulk them up to house the electrics while still maintaining rigidity ... would look daft imo
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