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PostPosted: 14:11 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: accidentally wound torque wrench down past 0 whoops. Reply with quote

Did this and the wrench went slack tightened it back up to zero could feel the tension gripping at 0 so hopefully its not screwed (I did this about 4 times thinking hmmm this is odd lmao). Would this knock it out of calibration? Phoned draper they couldn't answer. Is it worth getting a replacement?
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would send it to Draper UK or try these people

https://alltite.net/mobile-equipment-calibration-by-mobilecal/

If you depend on accurate settings then it is a good idea to have items like torque wrenches calibrated regularly.I have four of them and get them done every six months or so.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is brand new and has already been calibrated. I'm just wondering whether my carelessness and winding it down past 0 would actually knock the calibration.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Torque wrenches should always be stored with the preload turned right down.My 1/2" and 3/8" drive wrenches are turned back so that there is little or no tension while waiting for the next time they will be used.It does not put them out of calibration.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzer Thou wrote:
Torque wrenches should always be stored with the preload turned right down.My 1/2" and 3/8" drive wrenches are turned back so that there is little or no tension while waiting for the next time they will be used.It does not put them out of calibration.


That's good to know. Mine is rated 10-80nm. The manual says to put it down to its lowest measurement which in this case would be 10. But as i was unsure on this i phone up draper someone said to turn it all the way down to zero and someone else said to turn it down to 10. Out of the box i think it was set to 10. Don't know who to believe really if i knock it down to zero and go past a little the tension goes completely slack and when going back when it gets to zero you can feel the tension coming back. At least its good to know i haven't messed the calibration up. So should i go with 0 or 10?
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always turn mine back as far as they go so there is no tension.
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikojh wrote:
Fizzer Thou wrote:
Torque wrenches should always be stored with the preload turned right down.My 1/2" and 3/8" drive wrenches are turned back so that there is little or no tension while waiting for the next time they will be used.It does not put them out of calibration.


That's good to know. Mine is rated 10-80nm. The manual says to put it down to its lowest measurement which in this case would be 10. But as i was unsure on this i phone up draper someone said to turn it all the way down to zero and someone else said to turn it down to 10. Out of the box i think it was set to 10. Don't know who to believe really if i knock it down to zero and go past a little the tension goes completely slack and when going back when it gets to zero you can feel the tension coming back. At least its good to know i haven't messed the calibration up. So should i go with 0 or 10?


Spring torque wrenches use the spring's rate to determine torque.
So a 10-80 NM will have been calibrated for torque between 10 and 80 NM.
So if you store it wind all the tension off the wrench to help prevent the spring 'setting'.
10NM will not really harm or upset it too much that anyone would notice. Really. But for good engineering practice just make a habit of winding off torque wrenches to zero.

Yours may be OK but then you cannot tell unless you stick it in a torque meter. Which is what has been advised.
More than likely it will be OK. I'm not sure how that wrench is 're-calibrated' if out. Some use a locking ring on the spring and its' trail and error to re-set.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So its safe enough to take it just past 0 so there is zero tension and can store it like that? Past zero is becomes slack and when going back to zero the tension comes back thought i may have messed the calibration up by taking it past zero buts its quite safe and good practice to do this anyway?
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
Fizzer Thou wrote:
Torque wrenches should always be stored with the preload turned right down.My 1/2" and 3/8" drive wrenches are turned back so that there is little or no tension while waiting for the next time they will be used.It does not put them out of calibration.


Spring torque wrenches use the spring's rate to determine torque.
So a 10-80 NM will have been calibrated for torque between 10 and 80 NM.
So if you store it wind all the tension off the wrench to help prevent the spring 'setting'.
10NM will not really harm or upset it too much that anyone would notice. Really. But for good engineering practice just make a habit of winding off torque wrenches to zero.

Yours may be OK but then you cannot tell unless you stick it in a torque meter. Which is what has been advised.
More than likely it will be OK. I'm not sure how that wrench is 're-calibrated' if out. Some use a locking ring on the spring and its' trail and error to re-set.


I find it curious that draper advise to store it on 10 and not 0. Why do you think this is? There isn't actually a scale for 0 you have 10 but can go anticlockwise one more time to get to 0 and no tension. Also says in the manual not to wind past the lowest torque rating, which in this case would be 10, yet the sticker on the end of the ratchet says to wind it down to zero, wtf lol?
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check it against another torque wrench. If they both click at the same time when set to the same torque setting it's a pretty safe bet that they are both reading correct.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Check it against another torque wrench. If they both click at the same time when set to the same torque setting it's a pretty safe bet that they are both reading correct.


Not fussed whether its a bit out just wondering as the storage instructions have conflicting information. Manual says wind down wrench to minimum measured torque which is 10. But a sticker on the end of the wrench says 0. Can it eb stored with no torque just slack which is just before 0. Manual also says to not wind down below scale again being 10. Just conflicting information.
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikojh wrote:
So its safe enough to take it just past 0 so there is zero tension and can store it like that? Past zero is becomes slack and when going back to zero the tension comes back thought i may have messed the calibration up by taking it past zero buts its quite safe and good practice to do this anyway?


That's how we store all our torque wrenches on ship. I've never had a problem and we must have about 10 of various sizes.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im quite often dont bother winding mine back, but its old and probably due for replacement. Im guessing its not even within 20%.

Am I correct thinking a weakened spring will always indicate more than force applied = under torqued bolts?
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
mikojh wrote:
So its safe enough to take it just past 0 so there is zero tension and can store it like that? Past zero is becomes slack and when going back to zero the tension comes back thought i may have messed the calibration up by taking it past zero buts its quite safe and good practice to do this anyway?


That's how we store all our torque wrenches on ship. I've never had a problem and we must have about 10 of various sizes.


Does that include the ones that for example don't scale down to 0 ie 30nm-100. But you just keep going ignoring the scale until the tension disengages or anti clockwise past the scale 3 times?
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The manual of my torque wrench definitely told me to store it on a low setting but higher than 0 as well. It also said to wind it up and down a few times before use as well (if it hasn't been used in a while), so I always do this.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Im quite often dont bother winding mine back, but its old and probably due for replacement. Im guessing its not even within 20%.

Am I correct thinking a weakened spring will always indicate more than force applied = under torqued bolts?


That is correct, it can be calibrated to bring it back into spec, but if the spring has weakened and they don't replace it then you won't have the full torque range and in all honesty it would probably be cheaper to get a new one as they aren't all that pricey Very Happy , as to the winding back - I've been a mechanic for 22 years now and have always wound my torque wrenches all the way back when not in use, to ensure the spring is completely free of tension Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikojh wrote:


Does that include the ones that for example don't scale down to 0 ie 30nm-100. But you just keep going ignoring the scale until the tension disengages or anti clockwise past the scale 3 times?


Yes, we always wind them back till they are below the bottom setting. As long as they are under there is very little, if any spring tension, which is the idea.

I have just checked one of the RS ones and the manual says to wind it off completely. This is how it is stored.

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PostPosted: 03:29 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read on bcf recently that people don't use torque wrenches now as they can't be bothered. Rolling Eyes

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If there is no Zero mark then do not wind it past the lowest number.
That instruction is possibly to prevent unwinding the center tensioning bolt off the core of the universe. Which maintains our planet's orbital equilibrium.

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PostPosted: 09:31 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So past zero is fine i.e. no tension g2g then? Don't know why draper have to give conflicting instructions. I've never owned one before hence the probably seen as daft questions.

covent.gardens wrote:
The manual of my torque wrench definitely told me to store it on a low setting but higher than 0 as well. It also said to wind it up and down a few times before use as well (if it hasn't been used in a while), so I always do this.


Thats what mines telling me im just wondering why not 0 as thats standard practice. So you always store yours on the torques lowest rating. Has to be a reason why they say this.


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PostPosted: 10:06 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone from draper has just called me and basically said it should be stored at 10 which is something to do with the spring setting if left at 0. he also said winding it down past that could knock the calibration out and offered me to send mine in to be swapped. Not sure whether to get a replacement now or not as it been set on 0 for the last 24 hours. Their even changing the sticker on the ratchet lol.
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:40 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off mate, there is no such thing as a daft question Very Happy , and secondly - it's up to you if you want to get the replacement - probably wouldn't hurt if they're offering you a new one Wink , but I personally take manufacturers instructions with a pinch of salt - they can be an anal bunch at times!! - I've always wound the spring tension off completely when not in use and never had any problems at all, the only thing I would say is before you use it just wind it up and down a couple of times first then set your desired torque and that should make sure the spring is properly seated.
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 18 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nickerbelly wrote:
First off mate, there is no such thing as a daft question Very Happy , and secondly - it's up to you if you want to get the replacement - probably wouldn't hurt if they're offering you a new one Wink , but I personally take manufacturers instructions with a pinch of salt - they can be an anal bunch at times!! - I've always wound the spring tension off completely when not in use and never had any problems at all, the only thing I would say is before you use it just wind it up and down a couple of times first then set your desired torque and that should make sure the spring is properly seated.


Nah its not terribly worrying. When its past zero there's no tension and the tension come on exactly on 0 or a mm before it. Im going to leave it on 10 as the calibration certificate was for feb this year so its been stored from new on 10 for months before i even purchased so would have thought it should be safe on 10. I just don't like information that's conflicting hence by eagerness to get to the bottom of it.

i would also imagine i would have to post the torque wrench off to them and cba with that to be honest its not worth it, the thing only cost £20. Itd cost me probably about a fiver to send it off.
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