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Dan79
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Headlamp brightness Reply with quote

Since my RXS100 died in the Spring I've reverted to using my 1984 Honda Magna for all my riding, including now the dark evening commutes.

I am wondering if something may have deteriorated in the performance of the dipped headlamp as I am finding that I don't like to exceed 60mph on unlit dual carriageways with good white lines, and quite a lot less on unlit single carriageways, as the headlamp simply doesn't illuminate enough of the road ahead - the light is the limiting factor on my speed at night. The difference between the dipped beam and main beam seems rather a lot - but both dipped beam and main beam have the same white quality of light.

(It's not my eyes - I have no trouble with the dipped beams when driving our Peugeot 107 in the dark).

I've taken the lamp apart and can see nothing obviously amiss, all the parts are present and correct, nothing is corroded, the lens isn't clouded, and the bulb is the correct rating for the lens.

Has my 3 years of winter riding using the RXS100, whose headlight was simply appalling, lead me to the false belief that my Magna used to have really a good headlamp (I never really used to use it for much night riding, particularly not in wet and overcast conditions) ? Is it realistic to expect the headlamp of a bike that age to be as good as those of a modern car? Or is there something else that I should be checking with wiring or suchlike ?
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Headlamp brightness Reply with quote

Dan79 wrote:
Is it realistic to expect the headlamp of a bike that age to be as good as those of a modern car? Or is there something else that I should be checking with wiring or suchlike ?



No, bike electrics are well behind cars and in 1984 they sucked. There are plenty of things you can check if you think its not performing right, but its probably normal..

First thing to check is alignment, and what bulb does it take?
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something of that age will never match a modern car headlight and most standard bike lights are crap in the wet because of all the reflections. Worth checking the voltage you get at the bulb holder on main and dip to see if it's getting decent volts. Some bikes can lose a fair bit because of old and/or standard small gauge wires, rewiring with new heavier gauge stuff can improve it a fair bit by helping to limit voltage drop. Modern better bulbs can also help.
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 23 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

To follow up Bezzers comment, if you do rewire the headlight circuit then it might be worth using a relay taking power directly from the battery, while the headlight switch wiring is just used to trigger the relay.

As switches age they can cause problems. And with most bikes (and a lot of older cars) pulling all the headlight power through the switch the contacts do suffer.

All the best

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PostPosted: 06:46 - 23 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Headlamp brightness Reply with quote

Dan79 wrote:
my 1984 Honda Magna for all my riding

https://www.hoc.org.uk/gallery/bikes/VF500_V30_Magna_1984.JPG
US Market model 'Factory-custom', from the days before we called them 'Cruisers', variant of the VT500? or the VF500?
OK... well, first of all, it's a US import.... or bludy good chance of.
If so, has it got a left-dip headlamp?
Many bikes of that era had straight dip lamps, but, the septics ride on the wrong side of the road, dont they, may have right-dip lamp, which could be disconcerting.
Next-Up; US regulations of the era, called for permenantly wired dip for DTRL in some states.
They also had curiouse 'andi-dazzle regulations... ergo 'take good head-lamp' & stick multitude of deflectors in it to make it CRAP!

My VF is a Yank-Imp, the headlamp is PATHETIC for a 150mph motorcycle! Not too bad on main-beam, but dip is a joke!

I investigated UK spec lenses as replacement; but rather a lot of hassle for not a lot of gain, due to wiring anomolies, having no headlight on/off switch, and a bunch or relays in the headlamp cowl!

Investigating accessory-lights; spots improve things on hi-beam, but flipping to Dip.... light turning the lights off!

I looked at fitting a pair of car headlamps in spot-lamp shells, to get 'car' type headlights on Dip... ultimately I used a pair of twin-spots, which I modified, fitting a dip deflector in one of the two lenses in each lamp shell and relaying them off the main lamp.

On your Magna.... I suspect it may have the same 'niggle' of then current US anti-dazzle deflectors; but either way, my preffered solution would probably be to simply swap the headlamp for something UK spec and 'better'.

Square headlamp on a traditional style bike looks a bit vulgar anyway.... a traditional round lamp, maybe from a CB500 or a GS500 would look better?

Keeping it square, then the lamp from a contemprary Kwakker Z would be a good bet.

Tip: OE Jap headlamp lense/reflectors tend to be pretty efficient, and have nice accurate beam pattern, with little light loss. After-Market replacements tend to be pretty poor. A good 2nd hand lamp off e-bay, say from a GS500 or CG500 or similar is likely to be 'better' than an after-markey accessory lamp, even something like a trendy 'dominator' street-fighter twin-lamp set-up, and a darn site cheaper. (still impressed by the 2nd hand GS500 7" round on Snowie's bike, first fitted with 55w/50 Halogen car bulb, but with 35w HID its a ruddy flood-lamp! Could light a football match with the damn thing! Well recomended upgrade, though colour is a bit 'stark')
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Dan79
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 27 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the suggestions - will check these at some point.

It is a US import, a VF500 so the picture you posted Teflon Mike looks spot on. Yes the dipped beam is a running daytime lamp as well, so there is no off-switch separate from the ignition switch and therefore the only part of the headlamp that the rider can control is the switch to turn the main beam on or off. I don't think it has a left dip headlamp - as best i can tell, it is of the straight-ahead sort.

I did replace the ignition barrel about a year ago - might that be relevant to this issue?
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