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PostPosted: 20:26 - 18 Nov 2012    Post subject: MotoGP 2013 Reply with quote
Has anyone else noticed that there are three events in USA next year?
RED BULL GRAND PRIX OF THE AMERICAS 21 April
Mazda Raceway United States 21 July
Indianapolis Motor Speedway 18 August

(Which one is Laguna Seca?)

Also why did they drop the Hungarian lake? They did it for one season maybe two or three years ago, but never to be seen again...I thought it was a good track personally.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 18 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Trying to boost popularity in the states perhaps?

Anyone else think Marquez might take this in 2013?
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 18 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: MotoGP 2013 Reply with quote
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(Which one is Laguna Seca?)


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PostPosted: 20:50 - 18 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Anyone else think Marquez might take this in 2013?


Not a chance.

He'll crash a lot. He'll bump fairings with people a lot. He'll be punished into submission by DORNA for doing so. He'll spend his first season trading places with the likes of Vale, Cal and Bradl.

I just do not think he has the raw talent of Jorge and Pedrosa and as such he isn't really a threat to them up the front.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 18 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Fowlersrs wrote:
Anyone else think Marquez might take this in 2013?


Not a chance.

He'll crash a lot. He'll bump fairings with people a lot. He'll be punished into submission by DORNA for doing so. He'll spend his first season trading places with the likes of Vale, Cal and Bradl.

I just do not think he has the raw talent of Jorge and Pedrosa and as such he isn't really a threat to them up the front.


It will be interesting to see, he is a pint size of a man, does his weight pay any dividens at this level? I don't know if they're are ballasts?
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 18 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fowlersrs wrote:

It will be interesting to see, he is a pint size of a man, does his weight pay any dividens at this level? I don't know if they're are ballasts?

watch dani get off the line in virtually every race and you'll have your answer to that one
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 18 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I just do not think he has the raw talent of Jorge and Pedrosa and as such he isn't really a threat to them up the front.
He'll be on the podium. The bloke is only 1 sec a lap slower than the others in wet testing. So that's going from a bike that's slower than British supersport to a 250bhp pure-bred....In 3 days.
He'll crash just like all the fast blokes did as they gained their spurs.

I don't like some of his overtakes, infact I wanted him to receive a race ban for skittling other riders...and that's even before the lights went out. Perceived personality wise, I don't like him nor Rossi, Lorenzo or Stoner, but am in total awe of them on track.
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PostPosted: 01:17 - 19 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fowlersrs wrote:
It will be interesting to see, he is a pint size of a man, does his weight pay any dividens at this level? I don't know if they're are ballasts?


I'd argue weight is far less of a factor at this level. Lets not forget they have 250BHP under them.

In a standing start or from low speed then they may get a slight advantage in acceleration.

In corners, the heavier guys cause more tyre deformation and as such get better grip through the turn.

Its swings and roundabouts at this level.

This is comparative of course with todays riders. I'm not saying a 350lb male rider would warp round bends...... just to be clear. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 19 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Anyone doubting Marquez needs to watch the last Moto2 race, and then read up on his first GP test. 1sec off pedro after less than 30 laps, on a bike he'd never used, with tyres he's never used, and carbon brakes he's never used...

The kid is seriously quick.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 19 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Anyone doubting Marquez needs to watch the last Moto2 race, and then read up on his first GP test. 1sec off pedro after less than 30 laps, on a bike he'd never used, with tyres he's never used, and carbon brakes he's never used...

The kid is seriously quick.


But then you need to look at the times achieved in testing. They were by no means setting the track ablaze. The better laptimes were on the whole quite slow in comparison to the lap records and qualifying times. So in reality, Marquez was a second slower than a mediocre laptime.

I think Marquez has some serious skills. But no more skill than Bradl had in Moto2. I think he'll sit comfortably in the Bradl laptime zone. No better.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 19 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pedrosa's qualifying time at Valencia was 1'30.884 and Marquez did a 1'33 something in the test which is still a pretty good time but a lot of other riders were just testing parts and upgrades not trying to put in fast times.
His final moto2 race was almost like a computer game on easy the way he cut through the pack, when they showed his onboard footage he'd passed over 20 bikes in the first few corners Laughing

Funny that Dovi said that the duke isn't the animal he was expecting, I seem to remember Rossi being equally as optimistic a couple of years ago.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 19 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
So that's that then. We're all wishing for 31st March.

Pass the popcorn

Good chance for Dani to get a title in the big class.
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 19 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
rumppole wrote:
I'd argue weight is far less of a factor at this level.


I reckon it'll have its upsides...especially if this 20litres of fuel rule comes into play next season.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 20 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Al wrote:
Pedrosa's qualifying time at Valencia was 1'30.884 and Marquez did a 1'33 something in the test which is still a pretty good time but a lot of other riders were just testing parts and upgrades not trying to put in fast times.
His final moto2 race was almost like a computer game on easy the way he cut through the pack, when they showed his onboard footage he'd passed over 20 bikes in the first few corners Laughing

Funny that Dovi said that the duke isn't the animal he was expecting, I seem to remember Rossi being equally as optimistic a couple of years ago.


https://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/11/16/marc_marquez_debut_motogp_test_how_does_.html

Marquez will be on the podium in the first few races IMO
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 21 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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But then you need to look at the times achieved in testing. They were by no means setting the track ablaze.


But you also need to take into account the conditions, they were very cold and the track was drying out. Watching Marquez ride that bike just didn't look like he'd just stepped on it, it was impressive.

Bear in mind, the bridgestones are known to be hard to warmup and find grip on, especially when you dont know them, and on a cold damp drying track - very tricky conditions, he didn't crash and was a second off Pedrosa, a guy regarded as an Alien.

Saying that, would Pedrosa have gone faster if Yamaha hung around and Lorenzo was pushing for a lap as well? Perhaps he was the best of the lot available on the day?

I do have to say with Marquez, he is special, he has a pretty amazing talent and just seems very quick and sharp. I think he'll do pretty amazing, not short of him having a bad accident, he seams almost too fearless.

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Funny that Dovi said that the duke isn't the animal he was expecting, I seem to remember Rossi being equally as optimistic a couple of years ago.


I think this is in part due to the conditions of the day, no one could exactly get to 100%, which is where the Ducati struggles more. I hope the project improves, and with the management changes, it might just happen, but I reckon most of next year will be another work in progress.


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Marquez will be on the podium in the first few races IMO


Yep, I suspect the same. The question is whether Rossi comes back on form now he has the Yamaha. Everyone at the test said he looked more like 'Rossi' rather than the frankly odd form he seemed to have when he rode the Ducati. If this holds true and he can start pushing again, then I expect to see him up the sharp end.

Next year should be a treat, Vale/Jorge/Dani with Marc and Cal on the outside, Bradley hopefully showing what he's capable of, which I think is a lot, the Mistral bike he was on is widely regarded as an under-developed dog which hasn't changed that much since Moto2 started.

I also think Bradl is coming on, and HRC are giving him Factory support now, much like Marco had, so that'll be interesting.

In addition to that, there will be the 'four' Factory Ducati bikes - all are apparantly going to be factory spec, so it'll be interesting to see if anyone rises and rides it well.

My thoughts, if I'm honest, are that in the short/mid term, Ben and Nicky will prosper, and perhaps Crazy Joe.. But as time goes on, I've a feeling they want a bike that plays to the strengths riders like Dovi have - that 250cc supersmooth/clean style - and I think they'll be using Input from Dovi, and the others to bring it forward. It's just a shame it's taken Vale to go there, and then subsequently leave, for Ducati to finally realise the bike really isn't right, so perhaps this will be a step in the right direction.

I've been guity of saying next season will be good, I don't think it'll be a bad one, but I think combined, '13 and '14 might be a few interesting years.
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 28 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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In the second day of testing in Malaysia, the weather has finally turned and been kind to rookie Marc Marquez.
Although the track was still slightly wet this morning, by 11.30am it was drying out quickly and the Spanish rider was able to complete a full day of testing aboard his Honda RC213V MotoGP machine.

Marc spent the day trying various set ups and also tested the 2013 prototype which teammate Dani Pedrosa already experienced in Valencia.
He completed 60 laps with a best time of 2'01.355. The team will return on track tomorrow for the final day of testing.
That would've put him on the 3rd row.



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The 2013 MotoGP schedule has been trimmed to 18 events and will start a week later than planned after the proposed Grand Prix of Argentina was canceled Nov. 23 due to political upheaval in the South American nation.

Racing will start under the lights at the Grand Prix of Qatar on April 7 instead of March 31 as published on the provisional FIM schedule released in September.

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PostPosted: 09:51 - 28 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
rumppole wrote:
Fowlersrs wrote:
It will be interesting to see, he is a pint size of a man, does his weight pay any dividens at this level? I don't know if they're are ballasts?


I'd argue weight is far less of a factor at this level. Lets not forget they have 250BHP under them.

In a standing start or from low speed then they may get a slight advantage in acceleration.

In corners, the heavier guys cause more tyre deformation and as such get better grip through the turn.

Its swings and roundabouts at this level.

This is comparative of course with todays riders. I'm not saying a 350lb male rider would warp round bends...... just to be clear. Wink


They're running a combined weight limit (bike and rider) in Moto 2 next year.

Expect to see it in Moto GP in 2014. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 28 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Racing will start under the lights at the Grand Prix of Qatar on April 7 instead of March 31 as published on the provisional FIM schedule released in September.


Jeez Shocked Good job I didn't book flights for Qatar then, I'd have been there a week in advance...typical...what to do what to do... I suppose a city break in Barcelona or something... Rolling Eyes
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I hope I'm wrong (for Scott Redding's sake!) but I thought the weight limit in Moto2 was not due to come in until 2014?

As for Marcquez, I have no doubt he'll be quick. I expect a similar debut year to Rossi, Lorenzo & Pedrosa, i.e. he will be a threat more often than not, he will take plenty of podiums and win a couple of races, but he'll also step off the thing too often to pose a championship threat.

I actually prefer Bradl as a fan, I find MM comes across as a little too manufacturered along the Pedrosa lines, but I think Marcquez is a different class of rider. The way 2011 was going, Marcquez had Bradl on the ropes with two races left and it was only that sudden rain shower that swung the title back towards Stefan.

That's nothing against Stefan. I think Bradley may surprise a few next year, and Iannone. But Marcquez is in a different league to all the other newbies (or relative newbies).

Still think it will be JL v DP for the title, though the nostalgic in me would love to see Rossi back to his best. Sadly I don't think it will happen though, just a race win or two for the Doctor.

Can't wait.

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