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sparra
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: honda cd125 head onto a cd200 engine Reply with quote

can anybody help? I have a honda cd200 benly and my wife has claimed it from me but she only has her cbt, is it possible to change the 200 bore and replace it with a 125 bore to make it legal for her, will it line up? :|
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 27 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's quite possible/probable that the 200 has a longer stroke as well as a larger bore diameter. One of those jobs that sounds simple in theory but likely to become a complete nightmare.

Easiest option would be to source a CD125 engine (and hope the wiring matches up), or buy a cheap CG125 and use that - you'd get your money back on the CG when the wife wants to get rid/move on to something bigger etc.

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PostPosted: 15:58 - 27 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short answer. No.
The CD200 has a longer stroke as well as bigger bore.
The bottom end castings are 'common' but then they are machined differently to accept the bigger barels on the CD200, so they aren't 100% interchangeable.
Be easier to slot a CD125 or CM125 engine into the CD frame, it is literally a bolt for bolt replacement.
BUT then you would have a 'modified' CD200, and you would have to re-register it as a 125, which DVLA would probably be a bit squiffy about doing, merely on a detail change on the log book.
Change would make the bike both more valuable and learner-legal, but they would be suspiciouse that it was merely a paper-work ruse to ride a 200 on L-Plates, so at the very least I would expect them to demand independent evidence of capacity change, ie an engineers report stating that it has been done and done legitimately, or a full, and expensive VOSA inspection to confirm changes.
THEN.... when you come to insure the bike, you would be having to declare it as a CD200, but modified to be a 125... and similar problems and hassles from in-c0's believing it a ruse to ride a 200 on L's!

Which is all a load of red-tape wrangling and hassle, given that the CD200 barely makes Learner-Legal power limit, but happens to be 30% over the capacity limit!

Ultimately, it would be cheaper, and easier to simply buy a genuine CD125.....

Or better still; get her ANY old 125 to get her on the road, do some tests and get her a licence to ride the Benley 200 'legit'; without L's!
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: thanxs for info Reply with quote

ricklincs45 wrote:
It's quite possible/probable that the 200 has a longer stroke as well as a larger bore diameter. One of those jobs that sounds simple in theory but likely to become a complete nightmare.

Easiest option would be to source a CD125 engine (and hope the wiring matches up), or buy a cheap CG125 and use that - you'd get your money back on the CG when the wife wants to get rid/move on to something bigger etc.

Rick


thanxs for the reply, I'll go down the route of replacing the full engine as the wife really likes the comfort of the bike, she's only five feet tall, so it fits her perfect.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: thanx for reply Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Short answer. No.
The CD200 has a longer stroke as well as bigger bore.
The bottom end castings are 'common' but then they are machined differently to accept the bigger barels on the CD200, so they aren't 100% interchangeable.
Be easier to slot a CD125 or CM125 engine into the CD frame, it is literally a bolt for bolt replacement.
BUT then you would have a 'modified' CD200, and you would have to re-register it as a 125, which DVLA would probably be a bit squiffy about doing, merely on a detail change on the log book.
Change would make the bike both more valuable and learner-legal, but they would be suspiciouse that it was merely a paper-work ruse to ride a 200 on L-Plates, so at the very least I would expect them to demand independent evidence of capacity change, ie an engineers report stating that it has been done and done legitimately, or a full, and expensive VOSA inspection to confirm changes.
THEN.... when you come to insure the bike, you would be having to declare it as a CD200, but modified to be a 125... and similar problems and hassles from in-c0's believing it a ruse to ride a 200 on L's!

Which is all a load of red-tape wrangling and hassle, given that the CD200 barely makes Learner-Legal power limit, but happens to be 30% over the capacity limit!

Ultimately, it would be cheaper, and easier to simply buy a genuine CD125.....

Or better still; get her ANY old 125 to get her on the road, do some tests and get her a licence to ride the Benley 200 'legit'; without L's!


Thanxs for the reply, I've took ricks advice and gonna source a cd125 engine and get the v5 changed, it don't bother me about vosa checking on it as I will be making it 100% legal anyway. I've contacted the insurance company about it and it is only costing £25 admin charge for the change.
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