Pulled by police, need advice

[killerspam]

Hi guys,

I was pulled by the police late last night on my moped, as I was swerving on the road. This was because I had just pumped my tyres back up, and I was readjusting to the steering.

The copper listened to my story, said "This isn't a ticked, it just means you have to produce your couterpart license, photocard and insurance documents, to proove its your bike really".

OK, I thought. Anywho, I get home and I dig out for my CBT. I glanced at the expiry date and it said 12-04-04!

I've always assumed that a CBT lasted 3 years, as this is what my friends had, and the Thames Valley police website (along with many other english police website FAQs) says

[Ian (GPX)]

You might be a little stuffed, the CBT Cert only lasts for 2 years now and not 3. If the police officer that has given you that 7 day wonder looks up on his records and see's that your CBT is out of date, he might push it to court on the following:

No CBT
No Licence (CBT needed to make it valid)
No insurance (CBT needed again for you to be on the road)
No L-Plate (3 points on licence).

It all depends on the police officer thou.

If you don't produce any docs, then he will chase it up and take you to court etc.

[Robby]

Theres a horrifically simple solution.

Keep your bike legal, read your docs carefully, and don't go swerving like a drunk in front of a police car.

Did you get breathalised?

And as for the offense, theres a chance you could get banned. everyone likes banning peds, and were unlicenced and only displaying one L plate. I'd ban you.

[Panther]

I got done for no L plate when it actually had the, it had got slight pushed up with the forks...B**tard...3 points £150...he also did me for no ligts, but it was a 6 volt bike and the engine was off....


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[Bendy]

You can be honest and explain that you thought a CBT lasted 3 years (they used to).

They'll either be nice to you or not.

[G]

If their website says it, I would try and copy the pages, and maybe talk to a solictor, then to someone high up in the station. You present your documents (which you will have to do) and you are going to have problems.

[Lee_367]

useless idea>> if you got 7 days until you have to go in, book yourself on a cbt sharpish.
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[carvell]

So the CBT start date on the certificate is 3 days after the producer? Don't think it's gonna work.

I would print off the website, go to the station and explain that you thought it lasted 3 years. I don't think it will hold much, as the expiry date is printed in black and white on the certificate, but just be honest about it.

You could probably mess about with a soliciter and stuff, but I don't think it's worth it, maybe ask TC what he thinks?

Another point, why do you still have a CBT after 2 years? The idea if a CBT is that it's a stepping stone to get a proper licence, not to use as a licence for 2 years.

Edit: d'oh, anna beat me
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[Sparks!]

I would do my CBT anyway, then print off the pages from their web site etc as evidence. Then show the police that you had read incorrect information and were worried about it being wrong after reading up on it and everywhere else saying 2 years, so you went and done your CBT to be legal as your aware it was a mistake.

They might let you off as they can 1) see you got incorrect information from an "important" web site, and that 2) you've realised your illegal so gone and got your CBT sorted.

Either way, you need a CBT done now so do it anyway, but don't try to fool them into thinking you've always had it, make 100% sure you actually tell them you've gone out and done it otherwise they'll think your trying to fool them to get let off!
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[T.C]

The life of a CBT certificate was reduced from three years to two back in 2000 as a concession for doing away with the 12 month disqualification for those who failed to pass their full licence test, and this should have been explained to you by your validating instructor.

The fact that the Police website is wrong I regret carries no weight, although it may be useful in mitigation, but the bottom line is that you should have been aware of the two year rule, particularly as the rules were changed so long ago.
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[badlydamaged]

On the subject of CBT certificates, I beleive if you are on a moped and have a car license you dont need to display L plates (not sure though) , if so does this mean you need to do a CBT every two years to stay leagal? Ive heard lots of different opinions on this and just wanted to see whats correct. I know you need to display L plates for a 125 when riding with the provisional entitlement of a car license and I guess this means you need to keep the CBT certificate up to date to be allowed to ride. I'd just like to see where I stand with this matter until I can be bothered to start sorting bike tests out, my CBT expires later this year and I expect I need to redo it, but Id just like to be sure as the rules and restrictions on todays licenses are not the most straightforward things to understand.

Hopefully you'l be lucky killerspam, i'd just explain the truth and they will probably give you the benefit of the doubt. Ive been pulled over for speeding before, and immediatly blurted out that my speedo had stopped working earlier that week (which they informed me was another endorsable offece), when they saw I had no front L plate (stupid of me not to replace it immediatly after it had come off really) which is another 3 points, I would have faced 9 points on my license, not to mention the fact they could have taken me to caught as I was doing 45 in a 30 zone (they had pulled me over just past the 30mph zone start), I was let off very lightly indeed.
I guess they did me there even though I was slowing down as my brakelight had died and it was apparant that I wasn't slowing down at all because of this. Fortunatly they just gave me the 3 points and fine for speeding. Although I felt hard done by for being pulled as I was entering a 30 zone while slowing down, looking back they could have been very harsh indeed and banned me with, with a court case and £180 fine. They will probalby do you 3 points for the L plate when you explain, but I doubt they will do anymore, some of them are quite decent people you know . Good luck anyway!
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[dainesefreak]

Unfortunately ignorance is no defense in the eyes of the law. Tell the truth, be humble about it and take the slap on the wrists.

Doing a quick CBT and being up front about it may help show that you are doing all you can to be responsible. Unfortunately you normally show the documents to the desk clark who couldn't give a shit about what you have to say.

Good luck.

[carvell]

[priller]

You can ride a moped on a cat B licence without L plates but I think you sill need a CBT.

[carvell]

Nope.

You need the moped entitlement on your licence (category p).

If you have only category B and not p (unlikely) then you cannot.
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[priller]

You must get cat p with cat b then, because you can ride a moped on a car licence.

[carvell]

Yes you do, but for whatever reason you can be declined category p, you might not be fit or able to ride or something, in this case you can drive a car with your category B, but you won't be able to ride a moped as you won't have p.
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[priller]

Cant see any reason why you would be declined cat p.

[carvell]

If you only had one arm and had to drive a specially adapted car, I doubt they'd give you category p then.
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[priller]

Why, there's people who ride bikes with limbs missing.

I know for sure there's somebody who rides with only 1 arm.

[carvell]

Meh - I know it can happen and I'm sure it has somewhere.

The point is you cannot ride a moped on category B.

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[Kris]

By the way for the record, if you happen to throw the producer in the bin and never show up for court you will receive about £400 in fines and 6 points. Just so you know
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