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gazeranco
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Kawasaki ER6F Help! Reply with quote
Hey All,

A few times liast week, my er6f (2011) blew the ignition fuse. I replaced the fuse and it started fine, then next time I came to use it, it blew again. So I ordered a load of fuses online, well when I say a load... only 10! And I have nearly ran out, basically it will not start now at all, everytime I replace the fuse and turn the key the fuse pops.

Any ideas? theres wires everywhere under the seat including a little brown plastic thing which looks like it should be stuck in place but its loose, I have no idea what I am doing...

Can anyone help me with a daignosis, happily take snaps if it helps at all??

Thanks in advance!! Smile
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
These are also known for blowing voltage regulators.
It's a small square lump of ally with cooling fins on one side. If you are blowing fuses just by switching on ignition, before you hit the start button, find this regulator, unplug it and try to switch on ignition - do not hit start button! - if fuse doesn't blow it's the reg.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ok, so I disconnected the voltage regulator...

And the ignition lit up... so I switched it back off, connected the VR back up, and... the ignition still came to life... so what does this me, while yanking at the wires to the VR i move the problematic wires, or could it have been the VR still? it started ok, i turned it on and off a few times to make sure the fuse didnt blow. potentially the problem isn't fixed so I am not keen on riding it up the motorway to work in the morning as if that happens at 70mph It's potentially dangerous... Should I just get it booked in?
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PostPosted: 04:03 - 04 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
mentalboy wrote:
These are also known for blowing voltage regulators.
It's a small square lump of ally with cooling fins on one side. If you are blowing fuses just by switching on ignition, before you hit the start button, find this regulator, unplug it and try to switch on ignition - do not hit start button! - if fuse doesn't blow it's the reg.


Out of interest how could a damaged Reg/Reg cause a fuse to blow when it isn't fused, the loom is and wouldn't be producing power without the engine running?

Or to put it more simply do you have any idea what you are talking about or did you just make it up?

OP

Take off fuel tank and check all the cables on top of the airbox, problem is normally there.
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mentalboy
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 04 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
mentalboy wrote:
These are also known for blowing voltage regulators.
It's a small square lump of ally with cooling fins on one side. If you are blowing fuses just by switching on ignition, before you hit the start button, find this regulator, unplug it and try to switch on ignition - do not hit start button! - if fuse doesn't blow it's the reg.


Out of interest how could a damaged Reg/Reg cause a fuse to blow when it isn't fused, the loom is and wouldn't be producing power without the engine running?

Or to put it more simply do you have any idea what you are talking about or did you just make it up?



OP

Take off fuel tank and check all the cables on top of the airbox, problem is normally there.


You're right there, I haven't got the foggiest why a reg/rec would blow fuses when there is no activity from the alternator.
Way back in the dim distant past someone told me about it, I don't know the science but it is odd how a system can blow fuses when turning ignition on, yet (as OP stated) doesn't when reg/rec unplugged - as the reg/rec is purely there to feed correct supply from alternator to maintain battery and as such is inactive until engine turns over.

I would assume that a fairly thorough search for loose cables had been made prior to delving deeper. I do admit to having a fairly limited knowledge of working on bikes having only started pulling them apart when I was 13, so yes it's probably best to take all my advice with a pinch of salt and trundle off to a main dealer before having a look yourself.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 04 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
mentalboy wrote:
You're right there, I haven't got the foggiest why a reg/rec would blow fuses when there is no activity from the alternator.
Way back in the dim distant past someone told me about it, I don't know the science but it is odd how a system can blow fuses when turning ignition on, yet (as OP stated) doesn't when reg/rec unplugged


I think you missed the bit about when he plugged it back in it still didn't blow fuses Wink

mentalboy wrote:
- as the reg/rec is purely there to feed correct supply from alternator to maintain battery and as such is inactive until engine turns over.

I would assume that a fairly thorough search for loose cables had been made prior to delving deeper. I do admit to having a fairly limited knowledge of working on bikes having only started pulling them apart when I was 13, so yes it's probably best to take all my advice with a pinch of salt and trundle off to a main dealer before having a look yourself.


Ah humour I love it, especially when done so badly.

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mentalboy
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 04 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:


I think you missed the bit about when he plugged it back in it still didn't blow fuses Wink


Not at all. This would suggest to me that OP should be checking his wiring very carefully in the reg/rec area (and not just that running to the reg/rec but anything he may have disturbed getting to it). If upon inspection no wiring problem was found I'd be inclined to test the reg/rec to make sure that it was doing what it's supposed to - specs should be in your manual, which no doubt you'll have bought before diving in! Smile
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 04 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
mentalboy wrote:
Not at all. This would suggest to me that OP should be checking his wiring very carefully in the reg/rec area (and not just that running to the reg/rec but anything he may have disturbed getting to it). If upon inspection no wiring problem was found I'd be inclined to test the reg/rec to make sure that it was doing what it's supposed to - specs should be in your manual, which no doubt you'll have bought before diving in! Smile


Now I'm really confused, why would he be checking the reg/rec when he isn't having a charging problem?

So in these 30 years of pulling bikes apart did you ever manage to put one back together?
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 04 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't Kawasaki supply a 2 year warranty? If so, what are you bothering to dirty your hands for?
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 04 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm not the only who's experienced this kind of thing.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=2462180
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 04 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've got a Versys which is essentially the same bike so I assume the wiring is similar. Have a look in your service manual and see if the unconnected brown(?) wire is the diagnostic port. I've got one under my seat, and another grey wire that isn't connected to anything with the same type of fitting at the end, but the brown/orange one is the self-diagnostic port.
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