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Zen Dog
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Maplins Order - Distance Selling Regs Reply with quote

Ok, so I ordered some stuff off Maplins, paid via Paypal, and only realised when I got the order confirmation that it was being sent to my old address. So, obviously, I've been an idiot.

So I rang them up (within literally 10 mins of the order being placed), and asked if they could change the address. They said that wasn't possible, and they could only cancel the order. So I said fine, cancel it. And the CS woman said she would see what they could do (sounding pretty unconfident).

Now I've had an email to say the order has been dispatched. I've rung them and they've said "The orders get printed out straight away in the warehouse, and its not practical to have someone go through them. And you confirmed the order." So fuck you basically.

So what are my rights? And how long do I have? It may be possible to get hold of the delivery from the people who own my previous house, although it will be a hassle, if i need to send it back to them (which I'm happy to do, I've ordered the stuff I needed from somewhere else now).

So, the short version, how do I get my money back?

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PostPosted: 10:24 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like the best plan would be to contact the new house owners and either pick it up if not too far, or see if they will forward it at your expense.
You'll be able to return it but the time allowed is quite short.
In theory the new house owners could return it direct but you would never be quite sure they did and it could all go wrong.
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm happy to do that, but how long do I have? Do I need to inform them that I'm returning it? If so, is email sufficient or do I need to send a letter?

Can I just ask the people living in my old house to reject delivery? What happens if they do that?

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PostPosted: 12:26 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somewhat mis-using it, but couldn't you PayPal claim that it never arrived? I hear they pretty much always side with the buyer, no matter what the seller does.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

<no offence madam>You fucked up, and why should they suffer for being efficient?

Do what you need to do to get it from the address that you had it sent to.</no offence madam>
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
<no offence madam>You fucked up, and why should they suffer for being efficient?

Do what you need to do to get it from the address that you had it sent to.</no offence madam>


<handbag> Being unable to change and/or cancel an order doesn't seem very efficient to me. Since they said they would ("try to") cancel the order, I ordered what I needed from somewhere else (and got it cheaper, and its arrived already, whereas Maplins only told me their order has been sent this morning)...
As far as I'm concerned, I did my level best to correct my balls up, and they did nothing to help at all. So now I want to return it, and get my money back, on the basis that crap CS should be punished, not rewarded. </handbag>

If they'd have allowed me to amend my order a couple of minutes after placing it, I wouldn't want to return it at all.

But my question is, under distance selling regs, can I return it because I don't want it/made a mistake? I've started reading up on it and got confused quite quickly (easily done, as you may have guessed by now...)

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PostPosted: 13:27 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can return it for any reason and they should refund the complete price incl delivery. Return delivery at your expense. However...


They have returns info on their site - 28 days by post or in to a Maplins store.

https://www.maplin.co.uk/help-centre?helppageid=71
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that Donny, since they were so unhelpful I presumed I was looking at a statutory rights situation, and didn't even bother checking their policy... Rolling Eyes

I'll return it to my local store when it turns up.

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PostPosted: 20:10 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the people at your old address to refuse delivery, if it's sent signed for. Otherwise you'll have to send it back. You get a minimum of 7 days.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
Somewhat mis-using it, but couldn't you PayPal claim that it never arrived? I hear they pretty much always side with the buyer, no matter what the seller does.


Not if Maplin have proof of delivery.
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maplins can get fucked.

If you walk into a shop, buy something, then two seconds later realise you quite simply don't need it, you're totally allowed to go back and refund it.

So, you've basically done a version of that, and they've refused to do what they're supposed to.

Sounds a right cunt now that it's been dispatched. You can definitely get a 100% refund. Dunno how it works with the postage charges, but for the items you can definitely get all money back. If ebay sellers have to abide to distance selling regs then I'm near-as-dammit certain somebody like Maplins will have to follow the rules too!
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PostPosted: 02:14 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to work at Maplin...literally every morning we opened we got ready for the customers who congregate outside at exactly 0859 hours to return their "unwanted item" Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 02:35 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sa1988 wrote:
If you walk into a shop, buy something, then two seconds later realise you quite simply don't need it, you're totally allowed to go back and refund it.

There's no automatic legal right to do this for a change of mind. Most of the big stores allow it in their T&C's but don't assume all have a friendly returns policy.

Re: OP. Don't try to blame anyone but yourself! Immediately printing and dispatching orders is the sign of an efficient business, you should have made sure your address was correct and should not expect others to have an obligation to cover for your fuck-up.

As you ask, the letter of the DSR's does state that you're entitled to a refund within a set maximum time (I think it's 30 days) as long as you cancel in accordance with the DSR, within 7 working days (longer if you weren't told your DSR cancellation rights). This is regardless of whether you have actually returned the product by that point. Meaning, if they were to comply with the law completely, they'd have to refund you by the 30th day even if you didn't return the product. Then, if they wanted, they could take action to recover the money they've just refunded you, via a court if necessary. I don't know of any retailer that would follow that particular law, though, seeing as it's monumentally unfair. It's bad enough trying to get a retailer to honour basic SOGA rights sometimes. But there we go - yes, you are entitled to a full refund, even though you shouldn't be. Smile
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
sa1988 wrote:
If you walk into a shop, buy something, then two seconds later realise you quite simply don't need it, you're totally allowed to go back and refund it.

There's no automatic legal right to do this for a change of mind. Most of the big stores allow it in their T&C's but don't assume all have a friendly returns policy.

Re: OP. Don't try to blame anyone but yourself! Immediately printing and dispatching orders is the sign of an efficient business, you should have made sure your address was correct and should not expect others to have an obligation to cover for your fuck-up.



This.

Plus, do you actually realised how fucking annoying it is to have to search through several hundred parcels to find 1 which has the wrong address on it? I get it all the time at work and its ok if we are not sending out many parcels but when someone called on Monday asking for their item to be sent to another address I said no, purely because we are busy enough trying to clear all the orders from the weekend and we simply do not have time to search through the 6 or 7 hundred parcels that were awaiting dispatch.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:

There's no automatic legal right to do this for a change of mind.


Yes there is. Please see here where it explicitly contradicts what you're saying -
TradingStandards wrote:
The 'Distance Selling Regulations' give you the right to change your mind and cancel an order within seven working days.

https://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/cgi-bin/glos/con1item.cgi?file=*adv0051-1111.txt

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Re: OP. Don't try to blame anyone but yourself! Immediately printing and dispatching orders is the sign of an efficient business, you should have made sure your address was correct and should not expect others to have an obligation to cover for your fuck-up.


Despite the fact that I admitted in my original post that it was totally my fault, and that claims that it has anything to do with efficiency have already been covered, your judgement of me nevertheless pains me.

Sadly, regardless of what you think I should expect, in this case, they have precisely that obligation. I just tried to help them fulfill that in as painless a way as possible for both sides. Unfortunately, they weren't having any of it.

Inflexibility is not efficiency. Can you explain how having an item returned after sending, either to the store, or even directly to the warehouse, and having to restock, is more efficient than simply not sending the order in the first place?

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PostPosted: 10:31 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

shereen wrote:
Plus, do you actually realised how fucking annoying it is to have to search through several hundred parcels to find 1 which has the wrong address on it?


Yes I do. Which is why I reported the problem immediately, before there was any possibility that it had actually been packed (which turned out to take a day and a half).

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PostPosted: 11:58 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zen Dog wrote:
Yes there is. Please see here where it explicitly contradicts what you're saying -

Excuse me sir, he mentioned walking in to a shop. The distance selling regulations which I explained to you (so you don't have to try to explain them to me) only apply to goods bought from a distance, ie online or over the phone.

Zen Dog wrote:
Despite the fact that I admitted in my original post that it was totally my fault, and that claims that it has anything to do with efficiency have already been covered, your judgement of me nevertheless pains me.

Sadly, regardless of what you think I should expect, in this case, they have precisely that obligation. I just tried to help them fulfill that in as painless a way as possible for both sides. Unfortunately, they weren't having any of it.

Inflexibility is not efficiency. Can you explain how having an item returned after sending, either to the store, or even directly to the warehouse, and having to restock, is more efficient than simply not sending the order in the first place?

Zen Dog

Again, you're acting like you tried to do them a favour. Don't. You got your address wrong and you've cost them money because of that mistake. Once an order has been placed and they've asked you to confirm your address, and you do, very few people will then try to cancel that order before it's dispatched, so the chances are that creating a procedure, or modifying the IT system, to cater for such a rare event is not cost effective or practical. Bear in mind that the person you rang to try to cancel the order wouldn't have even been in the same building as where the orders are packed. In such cases it's better to let the customer use the already established returns procedure. It could take several man hours just to try and pick the order out before it gets dispatched otherwise.

As simple as "cancelling the order"? Sounds easy. It is NOT!
The efficiency of a large business relies on having set procedures.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
Excuse me sir, he mentioned walking in to a shop.


Ok, fair point.

covent.gardens wrote:
As simple as "cancelling the order"? Sounds easy. It is NOT!
The efficiency of a large business relies on having set procedures.


It is if you use a computerised system up until the point of sticking on a packing label, instead of printing everything out like a timewarp from the 80's.

And you can equally have a set procedure for cancelling an order.

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PostPosted: 17:07 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the past I have been pretty impressed by how quickly maplin orders arrived - before most places were doing late night ordering I made an order at 5:25pm and it was on my desk waiting for me at 9am the next day.

This is the flip-side, I guess - they have trouble stopping it.

Had much worse with Scan some years ago.
Double order. Called up straight away to cancel double order.
Yes, would cancel and refund.
Email saying two dispatched; called up and told to only accept one package and they would refund.
No refund. Told they had to test the goods before refund - the goods that had never touched my hands which I'd been told would be refunded straight away.

Ended up sending registered post letters to directors and reporting them to trading standards who said "yes, we've had quite a few reports about them".
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ordered an ultrasonic cleaner from Maplins on Saturday, still not here, so not that quick.

To put that in perspective, I ordered a load of other crap too from small ebay sellers and Amazon, all that has arrived.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
I ordered an ultrasonic cleaner from Maplins on Saturday, still not here, so not that quick.



You cant prove its them being slow to dispatch, it could be Royal Fail or whatever company these use. I have seen a noticable increase in delivery times with Royal Fail in the last couple of weeks.

Also just to point out to all the mongtards spouting about distance selling regulations. They only apply when the item has been received! If you havnt got it then they dont count. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sa1988 wrote:

If you walk into a shop, buy something, then two seconds later realise you quite simply don't need it, you're totally allowed to go back and refund it.

So, you've basically done a version of that, and they've refused to do what they're supposed to.

Most shops allow you to do this - but not sure there's any legal requirement to do so.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Maplins Order - Distance Selling Regs Reply with quote

Zen Dog wrote:
So, the short version, how do I get my money back?


Don't use paypal.
Use a credit card.

If you'd used a credit card you could simply do a charge back. It doesn't matter if maplin get a delivery signature because it wont be yours. That'd be enough to get you your money back.


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PostPosted: 08:32 - 30 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Most shops allow you to do this - but not sure there's any legal requirement to do so.


There isn't unless the goods are faulty.
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