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ScaredyCat
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Mileage Vs Age Reply with quote

What's the general consensus on age Vs mileage with bikes? For example:

2009 @ 22k miles Vs 2007 @ 3k miles

Both have full service history and are the same spec - price difference is negligible.


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PostPosted: 22:05 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends, maybe the newer one is an updated model and has more power, or certain faults are fixed etc. But typically I'd favour lower mileage.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive never been bothered by mileage. Ever since ive seen my '94 vauxhall with 135,000 vs my dads '51 ford with 60,000 miles. Mine is fine, his burns oil, rattles like fuck, and has bits falling off.
Or theres my neighbors peugeot 406 with 440,000 miles! I didnt think it was possible, i used to be used as a taxi.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

How it's been stored and looked after is a bigger factor imo. If it's a dry weather toy that's been stored in a warm garage and carefully cleaned then the age is pretty much meaningless, my 2004 ZX9 could have easily have been passed off for a brand new bike but that's not always the case.
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, thanks.

What's regarded as high milage for a bike? 20k? 50k?

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PostPosted: 09:35 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with Seb; I bought my Divvy in May with 3k miles on it... it's 17 years old. Normally such a low mileage on such an old, non-classic bike, would have set the alarm bells ringing, but it'd been stored in a garage and owned by someone who worked at the bike shop. He had over 20 other bikes (bastard) so ended up never using the Divvy.

I did replace the 19 (!!) year old ditchfinders that were on it, mind.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Ok, thanks.

What's regarded as high milage for a bike? 20k? 50k?

Andy


Depends on the bike, helpful I know.

Wouldn't touch a 50k 125, but wouldn't bother me on a 600. Some makes run quite high mileage such as BMWs, Often see those for sale with 50 or 60k on them.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Efes123 wrote:
Depends on the bike, helpful I know.


Exactly - so what bike/bikes are you talking about?
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
What's regarded as high milage for a bike? 20k? 50k?


A lot of people only use bikes for pleasure riding, so it's not unusual to see low-mileage bikes, and that can lead to thinking that high-mileage bikes are dodgy. I'd guess that 10k a year is well above average mileage.

Higher mileage bikes may have been commuters, long-distance touring, or ex-courier. The type of bike will be a hint as to which.

A commuter ridden by someone as a utility vehicle, and parked outside in all weathers may be in poor condition. But it may have been ridden from a garage at home to a garage at work and not be too bad. But the miles are more likely to have been shortish distances done from a cold engine.

A long-distance tourer will have done a lot of motorway miles, long distances on a warm engine, which causes less wear. It will most likely have been ridden in warmer sunnier weather rather than all year around. It will also probably have been serviced before trips rather than having servicing put off.

I wouldn't buy an ex-courier bike. IMO they wouldn't make the investment in another bike and get rid of the old without a good reason.

I have tend towards preferring lower mileage over newer, simply because they're usually not that hard to find. If I'm looking for a bike, I'll look into model years and decide which version I want, then use that as a cutoff for how old I'll consider; I then look for the lowest mileage version I can afford.

If the two bikes you're looking at are exactly the same spec and no model revisions (there may be some subtle revisions especially in the first few years of new category bikes, check bike-specific forums), I'd prefer the 2007 one, but I'd look at both to see what condition they're in. 22k is high enough that the valves will need doing if they haven't been done already, with 3k that's a fair bit off in the future.

PS: Beware that low-mileage bikes may have been e.g. track toys, they may have been ragged mercilessly. Low mileage is no guarantee of good condition.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Low miles may not be a good thing Reply with quote

There have been a number of automotive problems associated with engines, and other bearing supported parts, standing idle for long periods especially if there is any vibration e.g. passing heavy traffic. This is like a small hammer hitting a tiny area on the bearing shell over and over again. Back in the sixties Ford had a problem with cars sent by rail to California and were then plagued by wheel bearing failures. That is an extreme example but the principle holds.
The second thing to think about is that the drive train has sat with the oil slowing draining from the working surfaces for long periods and minor corrosion sets in with bad effects when it is eventually re-started. If a bike has low mileage is it because it has only been used a few times a year or has it been used more often for very short journeys where the oil never really gets up to temperature? That would not be an ideal situation.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just bought a 40,000 mile 125 from neil on here. It's been well looked after, doesn't smoke, has good compression and rides well.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Age vs Mileage? Winner is... condition.

Sight unseen I'd tend to favour the older, lower mileage bike from those two. But bear in mind resale. As you pile on the miles, the relative difference will look less, and the older bike will lose value faster.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Efes123 wrote:
Wouldn't touch a 50k 125


Why so? Mines an 07 with 70,400~ miles and according to the Haynes, has next to max compression, works perfectly and aside from being thrown down the road by my brother... its running ok.

I bought it, without viewing and just paid for it over the phone. Brother picked up, best £650 spent on a bike, ever Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think longer mileage on tourer models has less stress than short mileage on racing bikes used for tracks. If I choose from SS model, I will choose longer mileage one with non track use.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

CONDITION IS ALL

Cars get used much the same way, so mileage is a fair 'guide' to how much life is still in them. Bikes, way they can be used, the style and type of bike dictating more likely use, all far more widely variable, to the point that mileage is almost completely accademic.

On a Sports-Bike, low miles likely to indicate a weekend toy; so you could expect it to be in very good cosmetic condition, probably garaged, hardly ridden, but also as likely to be neglected between use, never cranking up the mileage for service intervals, and age related service periods ignored becouse its just not used.... but when it is... thrashed mercilessly.... taken to the extreme, could be a track bike..... ten race meets in club season calendar, twenty five miles a race, and a few practice sessions could put less than 500 miles on the oddometer! But BOY are they all hard miles!

High miles on same bike,. suggests use. More likely to be lighter ever-day use, but also likely to engender more 'enviromental' degredation, dirt crud, road crap getting into everything, suspension bouncing around wearing out, and stuff, but in use cranking service intervals, likely to have had the maintenence.

Tourers? Low mile tourer? What's likely use? Eleven and a half months sat in the garage, a mile or tow to the MOT center, and then two weeks cranking couple of hundred miles a day on thier holiday.... then sat bearings siezing rings gumming in the garage until next year. High miles? Well could be every day commuter, could be despatch hack.

Its only a very notional indicator to how a BIKE is used and life remaining in it.

Go by the over all condition, go by the 'feeling' you get from the seller, go by what you can see IN THE METAL.
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Efes123 wrote:
Wouldn't touch a 50k 125


Why so? Mines an 07 with 70,400~ miles and according to the Haynes, has next to max compression, works perfectly and aside from being thrown down the road by my brother... its running ok.

I bought it, without viewing and just paid for it over the phone. Brother picked up, best £650 spent on a bike, ever Laughing


Ah, I'm sure there are plently of exceptions, but as a general rule... And why take the chance, unless it's priced accordingly, there's enough lower mileage 125s around. TBH, I'd probably buy a high mileage off someone I know, or trust, but I'd be very wary from a stranger, and I'd expect it to be cheap as chips.

As above, there's so many other things to take into consideration along with mileage. And, it all depends on the price at the end of the day. My 500 had 30k plus on it when I bought it, a bit higher than I was planning for my first 'big' bike. But the condition was greast, it'd had loads of service, and importantly, the price was right.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, so I guess I shouldn't be potentially buying form the sofa..

There's also a local ER6n, 2010 plate (C9) with 27878 on the clock that's been used as a commuter. They still want £3,495 for it. Seems a little too much to me - but then my buying experience is pretty much zero.


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PostPosted: 14:56 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That the one from Ling's? They always seem to be very expensive, but that's probably not too far off for a main dealer price.

This is a better price;

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-KAWASAKI-ER6-N-POPULAR-MODEL-VERY-GOOD-CONDITION-/290774971266?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item43b389f382
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Efes123 wrote:
That the one from Ling's? They always seem to be very expensive, but that's probably not too far off for a main dealer price.

This is a better price;

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-KAWASAKI-ER6-N-POPULAR-MODEL-VERY-GOOD-CONDITION-/290774971266?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item43b389f382



Yeah, it's Lings... I saw the gold/scanky mustard/bile coloured one, it's also in Harleston too iirc... tempting... not sure if either or both have abs which might affect the price a bit I guess.


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PostPosted: 15:41 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't mind travelling to Ipswich, try this guy;

Bob Nicholls - 01473 659091

He's about the cheapest dealer I've found. He doesn't have much, generally 2 or 3 bikes in at a time, but a good guy
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Efes123 wrote:
If you don't mind travelling to Ipswich, try this guy;

Bob Nicholls - 01473 659091

He's about the cheapest dealer I've found. He doesn't have much, generally 2 or 3 bikes in at a time, but a good guy


I'll keep his number. I don't mind going to ipswich, I'm just a little incapable at the moment.

Thanks

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