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PostPosted: 11:06 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: more BS from MP's who havn't a clue what there talking about Reply with quote

as yet another Government report says that the UK drugs laws need changing
the same old BS is being used to counter this report

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Although overall cannabis consumption is down, the strength of cannabis has gone up dramatically, about six or seven times stronger than it was a generation ago, it is the equivalent of people going from drinking a pint of beer to drinking a pint of neat vodka," he said.


well the European drug monitoring board disagree with them

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The European Monitoring Centre For Drugs and Drug Addiction (EMCDDA), in their July 2004 report titled "An Overview of Cannabis Potency in Europe" noted the following:

"The available data do not show any long-term marked upward trend in the potency of herbal cannabis or cannabis resin imported into Europe.

The effective potency in nearly all countries has remained quite stable for many years at around 6-8%. The only exception has been the Netherlands where, by 2001-2002, it had reached 16%.

In the United Kingdom, the amount of herbal cannabis or cannabis resin in cannabis cigarettes has shown no trend in the last twenty years.

Statements in the popular media that the potency of cannabis has increased by ten times or more in recent decades are not supported by the limited data that are available from either the USA or Europe. The greatest long-term changes in potency appear to have occurred in the USA. It should be noted here that before 1980 herbal cannabis potency in the USA was very low by European standards.

The THC content of herbal cannabis [in the USA] increased from around 1% before 1980 to around 4% in 1997...

[I]t must be assumed that the quality of herbal cannabis consumed in the USA more than twenty years ago was unusually poor, but that in recent years it has risen to levels typical of Europe. So even the modest increase found by ElSohly et al. (2000) may be less significant than it seems.

The conclusion of this report is that there have been modest changes in THC levels that are largely confined to the relatively recent appearance on the market of intensively cultivated domestically produced cannabis. Cannabis of this type is typically more potent, although it is also clear that the THC content of cannabis products in general is extremely variable and that there have always been some samples that have had a high potency."

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PostPosted: 12:59 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not much of a stoner so call me out if I'm wrong but....

Stronger weed --> Less smoked for same effect --> Less smoke inhaled --> less smoking related health problems?

Surely lung damage is proportional to the volume (well mass scientifically) of smoke inhaled?

Govt is stupid? If you only had a vodka and no beer and just wanted the effects of a beer, you wouldn't neck a pint of the stuff just pour out a double. By their logic if you only had beer and wanted vodka, you'd only do shots of beer??
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
I'm not much of a stoner so call me out if I'm wrong but....

Stronger weed --> Less smoked for same effect --> Less smoke inhaled --> less smoking related health problems?



Yeah, that's wrong:

Stronger weed --> Same amount smoked --> Get higher -->Errrmmm, I forget, but it was like really important --> Whose turn is it to go to the garage for skins and munchies?
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:


Stronger weed --> Same amount smoked --> Get higher -->Errrmmm, I forget, but it was like really important --> Whose turn is it to go to the garage for skins and munchies?


https://i.imgur.com/jqXDm.jpg

Maybe legalising weed is actually a clever ploy by the snack food industry to stimulate sales?
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why the Fuc* do they bother having these reports commissioned
3 times this year there have been reports made to MP's from commission's set up by said MP's
only for them to reject the results without even debating them

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Cameron rejects decriminalising drugs
The idea of a royal commission to consider decriminalising illegal drugs - as suggested by a group of MPs - has been ruled out by the prime minister.

In response to the report by the home affairs select committee, David Cameron said the current policy was working in Britain.

The committee highlighted Portugal's approach, where people found with drugs are not always prosecuted.

It also asked ministers to monitor cannabis legalisation elsewhere.

"Drugs use is coming down, the emphasis on treatment is absolutely right, and we need to continue with that to make sure we can really make a difference, " Mr Cameron said.

"Also, we need to do more to keep drugs out of our prisons.

"These are the government's priorities and I think we should continue with that rather than have some very, very long-term royal commission."

A royal commission is a public inquiry created by the head of state into a defined subject and overseen by a commissioner who has quasi-judicial powers.

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PostPosted: 17:47 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Treatment?

For weed?

I'll have whatever these fucking idiots are on.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:
Why the Fuc* do they bother having these reports commissioned
3 times this year there have been reports made to MP's from commission's set up by said MP's
only for them to reject the results without even debating them


You sound like you think the country is run by the competant.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:
Why the Fuc* do they bother having these reports commissioned


I remember the Lib Dems debated it at a conference a few years ago and voted in favour of decriminalisation - then ignored the result. Sounds like a good use of resources - junkies would be far more thrifty.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: more BS from MP's who havn't a clue what there talking a Reply with quote

Sir Norbert Knightlythrusting wrote:
]Although overall cannabis consumption is down, the strength of cannabis has gone up dramatically, about six or seven times stronger than it was a generation ago, it is the equivalent of people going from drinking a pint of beer to drinking a pint of neat vodka," he said.

Indeed, the country is simply over-run by stoners slithering around in pools of smashed glass, vomit and blood, screaming "Fuggers gunna killyall arrrr yr mah beshtmates".

Right?
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

his analogy with Alcohol is quite ironic considering the health issues caused by alcohol
these people are not fit to hold office or have any right to govern our lives esp when they are totally ignorant to the facts
or even worse simply ignore them
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PostPosted: 03:41 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see the problem tbh, it's not as if the Conservatives make out that they are a pro-weed party, so this is the answer to be expected. As for the weed debate, I think the dangers of it are often played down by those who are more interested in getting it legalised for their own benefit. I can see why the government is concerned, as they'd be blamed if they legalised it then the usage figured shot up and the consequence was massive increases in people needing treatment for drug abuse. What would the average Conservative voter think about that? Not too impressed I'd guess.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
I don't see the problem tbh, it's not as if the Conservatives make out that they are a pro-weed party, so this is the answer to be expected. As for the weed debate, I think the dangers of it are often played down by those who are more interested in getting it legalised for their own benefit. I can see why the government is concerned, as they'd be blamed if they legalised it then the usage figured shot up and the consequence was massive increases in people needing treatment for drug abuse. What would the average Conservative voter think about that? Not too impressed I'd guess.


well if it was decriminalised there would be a lot less people in jail for nothing more than some personal stash
it would free up police to go after real criminals and free up courts

when Holland decriminalised the figures for use actually fell
and millions of people in the UK already use drugs on a regular basis I doubt you'd see
any real increase in treatment for abuse in fact it would fall as there would be less
contaminated crap about as people could get a regular regulated clean supply
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is just pandering to populist vote... same as the gay marriage statement His Davidness made meanwhile deflecting from his impotence in the EU.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
As for the weed debate, I think the dangers of it are often played down by those who are more interested in getting it legalised for their own benefit. I can see why the government is concerned, as they'd be blamed if they legalised it then the usage figured shot up and the consequence was massive increases in people needing treatment for drug abuse. What would the average Conservative voter think about that? Not too impressed I'd guess.


So what you are saying is that negatives about weed are under played and that the government won't legalise it because people would need treatment for weed addiction.

I can picture the headlines... 14 year old boy injects over 14 marijuanas and dies.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:
Why the Fuc* do they bother having these reports commissioned
3 times this year there have been reports made to MP's from commission's set up by said MP's
only for them to reject the results without even debating them


Because the intersection between voters and those who do dabble is much lower than the intersection between voters and middle Englanders.

The gov needs to persuade those non-voters to actually bother for a change or persuade middle England that drugs aren't as bad as they've been suggesting for years.

Repeated reports and controversy are the only way for the issue to become prominent enough for them to dare do anything about it.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:

I can picture the headlines... 14 year old boy injects over 14 marijuanas and dies.


Kind bud does play merry hell when introduced neat to the circulatory system.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
They prefer the plebs to remain sheep-like and subservient.


...because that doesn't describe stoners at all. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 12 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The area where I live stinks of weed most days. Every man and his dog seems to be on it apart from me and my girlfriend. Most aren't deep thinking people, look like bums and spend more money than they can afford smoking this crap.

That said, I believe in freedom of choice and think that there are far too many laws in this country. Who the fuck are the government to tell us what to do?!
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a bunch of paranoid junkies.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had to laugh at Cameron saying the war on drugs is working Laughing

Never has, never will, there's too much money to be made supplying and too many people creating demand, the only way to limit that is to legalise and licence businesses to sell - and actually earn some tax dollar in the process.
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PostPosted: 07:41 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Correct.........it certainly doesn't describe anyone I know that smokes. Some people just need something to open up the cortex of their mind a little so they can look at things a bit differently and stop contenting themselves by watching soap operas on TV and saving up for Ikea soft furnishings.


Splendid. I look forward to them solving the problems of the world and ushering in a new age of enlightenment and tolerance for all humanity.

If they could... just... get... up...
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
Had to laugh at Cameron saying the war on drugs is working Laughing

Politicians really are evil - that level of extreme dishonesty can only corrupt the soul. But in this particular case it's interesting to note that drug use in the UK is declining, and has been for a number of years. It's probably got nothing to do with government policy (if anything policy has probably slowed the decline), but it's an easy win for Cameron and Co.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: more BS from MP's who havn't a clue what there talking a Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Indeed, the country is simply run by stoners slithering around in pools of smashed glass, vomit and blood, screaming "Fuggers gunna killyall arrrr yr mah beshtmates"...

Corrected for you as it sounded like a usual day in the house of commons restaurants, bars and tea rooms (FWIW list here). Can't comment for the Scottish parliament but I'd wager it's similar but with even funnier accents.
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