Roundabout advice ?

[new001]

Hi I have some questions about roundabouts and of the mini roundabout type.


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At this mini roundabout Im the red arrow and planning on going straight on the other arrows are different cars.We all arrived at the junction to the roundabout at the same time and roughly same speed.What happened was I slowed and stopped to give way to the blue car the blue car didn't go because he was giving way to the green car and so we all basically stood still for 5 sec like lemons.My question is who has priority and is it correct that I should give way to the blue car ?






This happened the other day and was real close.
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I approached this mini roundabout(im red) with plans to go straight on I looked nothing was to my right and no one was already on the roundabout.I made eye contact with the blue car driver and so entered the roundabout figuring that yeah okay hes slowing down on his approach and should stop in time and give way to me on his right.Just after I entered the roundabout to go straight on the blue car had left it really late to stop and so was maybe no one than a few inches from clipping me as i turned slightly to exit.I reckon he saw me but had no real intention of stopping.I know I should do a life saver when exiting the roundabout however theres so little space on a mini roundabout that by the time you done the lifesaver you've exited the roundabout already and also you have no time to react because of little room available.My question is what do you in this situation do if you have made eye contact with the other driver but he still decides to carry on despite you having right of way and have very little space available to you for position to get of trouble ?

[cimbian]

First sketch. who ever moves first. Nothing smokes my kippers more than seeing the pillocks just sit there.

Second one. Slow down. No points scored for being side swiped just because you have priority.
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[stinkwheel]

Situation 1. Nobody has right of way. Who dares wins.

Situation 2. If you don't think he's going to stop, you stop and wave him out. No point having "But I had right of way" as your epitaph.

Sometimes a headlight flash can help BUT they are very subjective, many people will think you're flashing them out. The duration of the flash seems to be key. A quick flash and they think you're letting them out. A big hit of high beam means "Here I come". Probably best not to try this until you have a bit more experience.

One thing that does help is to weave side to side slightly on the approach to a junction. Bikes move away faster than cars but people are distracted and not paying attention. They will often think that they could nip out and round before a car gets to them. Weaving sideways makes you stand out and wakes them up because human eyes are attuned to recognise movement much more than shape and cars can't move like that.

Another thing to be aware of is that some cars have HUGE A-pillars (the one that holds the roof up at the windscreen end). Certainly big enough to hide a motorbike on its entire approach to a roundabout or to hide you when you're part of the way round.

Watch the wheels, not the car to see if someone is still moving/turning.
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[J.M.]

Short reply as on phone.

Surely in sketch 1, red has priority? Blue gives way to the right, so waits for green. Green gives way to the right so waits for red?
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[Ribenapigeon]

Situation (1) You and Blue could move onto the roundabout at the same time no bother but if blues onto the roundabout before you then you give way. Red gives way to you and blue if blue goes all the way round.

Situatiion (2) Getting eye contact is no garauntee of anything. I feel as often as not when a car driver gets eye contact with you they may take it as you giving them the nod to proceed, maybe this is what happened to you.
As others have said you have to balance your "right of way" with what's safe and if your not sure of a drivers intentions err on the side of caution.

If you don't have time for a lifesaver then you probably going too fast for the situation. Mini roundabouts usually being on smaller, slower roads and having less room for evasive manouvers require a slower speed if other traffic is around.

[swampy]

[stinkwheel]

I'll repeat, the situation in 1 is that no one has right of way.

On a mini roundabout, you must give way to traffic on your right and/or traffic already on the roundabout. If someone arrives at each road similtaneously, everyone has to give way to someone else. Proceed with caution.

You shouldn't have more than one vehicle on a mini roundabout at any one time. It's not specifically illegal but it would be counted as a dangerous point on your driving test.
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[ScaredyCat]

[stinkwheel]

[UnknownStuntm...]

I'm sure someone with an HGV license will chip in here, I'd been told that if you hesitated at a mexican roundabout standoff with a big ol' truck, you failed the test. No?

[ScaredyCat]

[yaigi]

Just go practice on this, you'll soon get the hang of it:

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[stinkwheel]

[covent.gardens]

Pic 1 is in deadlock, usually I'll set off assertively but wave thanks as I pass
Pic 2, be prepared to stop and use two blips of the horn instead of light flashes, I'd personally never flash in that situation, its what the horn is for.

[ScaredyCat]

[UnknownStuntm...]

[J.M.]

[bjorn toulouse]

the person on the roundabout has right of way. give way to traffic on the roundabout

[Alpha-9]

I've had this before and you really just have to power straight round it before anyone hesitates in a situation where you're all waiting for each other, if you don't go and they think you're not going to they will start to go, then you could all end up going at once

Generally I always give way to whoever's on my right
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[swampy]

[swampy]

[cimbian]

Every one on a roundabout potentially has someone on their right, regardless of the angle of the junctions, JM.

In the stand-off I'm generally the one to break a stalemate often accompanied by strap-on-a-pair shouted in full voice.

Headlight and horn have the same meaning, c.c, but not the same interpretation so I rely on the horn.
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[DonDino]

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[illuminateTHE...]

Scenario 1) Slow down on approach to roundabout. Pull out if you know for sure the vehicle nearest to you right won't have to brake or change directions due to your move.
You should always give way to any vehicle to your right but if its safe to pull out do so.

Scenario 2) If you have right of way keep don't stop keep on going. Just try planning ahead, maybe position your bike further away from the stationary vehicle whilst still staying within your lane or try reducing speed SAFELY without making other road users change direction or brake sharply .
If the vehicle pulls out like a lemon then its not your fault you won't get marked down AS long as you deal with the situation safely.
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