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PostPosted: 15:27 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: seriously? fucking cunts Reply with quote

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if you haven't declared your income

HMRC is looking for

go to www.sortmytax.gov.uk (or .com to that effect)

yet they STILL aren't pursuing large companies for tax money.

just further proof the government is seriously fucking backwards.

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PostPosted: 15:34 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the last people they're going to go for are those with expensive lawyers and accountants are they? They're starting with people stupid enough to contact them and own up.
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: seriously? fucking cunts Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
radio advert

if you haven't declared your income

HMRC is looking for

go to www.sortmytax.gov.uk (or .com to that effect)

yet they STILL aren't pursuing large companies for tax money.

just further proof the government is seriously fucking backwards.

CUNTS!


Seriously backwards is paying a useless, jobless cunt like you benefits.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almost all of the large companies said to be avoiding tax in the media are doing so legally.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mad_Mushroom wrote:
Almost all of the large companies said to be avoiding tax in the media are doing so legally.


doesnt matter, those "loopholes" need to be fixed and the companies FORCED to pay tax.

you operate in this country selling something? PAY YOUR TAX!

then they wouldnt need to pick on the small people who just want to get by
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Doesnt matter, those "loopholes" need to be fixed and the companies FORCED to pay tax.


They arent "loopholes" its called the Single Market of the European Union. When the EU has full control of taxation and operates as a goverment it wont be a problem will it.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
Mad_Mushroom wrote:
Almost all of the large companies said to be avoiding tax in the media are doing so legally.


doesnt matter, those "loopholes" need to be fixed and the companies FORCED to pay tax.

you operate in this country selling something? PAY YOUR TAX!

then they wouldnt need to pick on the small people who just want to get by


You have no clue as to how it works, do you?

Any idea how taxable profits are cacluated?
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

D O G wrote:


You have no clue as to how it works, do you?

Any idea how taxable profits are cacluated?


Sure!

If you have a UK company, you set up a similar company where the tax is low. Say Ireland or something.

You then send a load of invoices (real or other wise) from the Ireland office to the UK office charging the UK company for something.

These invoices are priced artificially high to boost the costs of the UK arm. Wiping out all its taxable profits.

Those profits get taxed at the lower rate.

Even if you're sending fake invoices and its just a paper transaction.

Or if you're a big super market beginning with the letter T, with a lot of MPs in its pocket. You shunt it through the Cayman Isles.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You have no clue as to how it works, do you?

Any idea how taxable profits are cacluated?


No none at all but I have heard its caculated using one of these:

https://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/596665357/free-shippment-10-stalls-rack-wooden-arithmetic-Early-Childhood-number-of-toy-beads-count.jpg

Quite funny init, high profile case after high profile case, they all walk free with the biggest result ever being:

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The coffee chain is voluntarily paying £20m to the UK taxman, The only reason Starbucks is paying up is because it's a highly visible high street brand and vulnerable to a public backlash.


Sticking it to them for there lawbreaking, for real.

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Because Amazon’s main European operations are incorporated in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, a speck on the European map that, like Britain, is a member of the European Union but that for years has done a roaring business by offering foreign companies extremely low tax rates. By being based there, Amazon reports only about $330 million in revenue in the U.K. — compared with almost $12 billion in Luxembourg, where its taxes came to just $10.7 million. That’s a rate of just 0.009%. Amazon can do this because its U.K. arm is registered as a service company for the Luxembourg holding company Amazon EU SARL.

That type of complex corporate structure — used by many multinationals operating in Europe, including Google and Starbucks — is legal. It simply takes advantage of sharp differences in corporate tax rates and incentives in Europe to optimize tax payments and in the process boost profits. The European Union is a single market, which means that companies can incorporate anywhere and sell their goods and services across the continent, but because there is no harmonized taxation system, it’s a playground for smart accountants and tax specialists who know how to exploit the differences.


Stop blaming companys and pay attention to those uprooting Europe bit by bit.


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PostPosted: 17:20 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mad_Mushroom wrote:
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Doesnt matter, those "loopholes" need to be fixed and the companies FORCED to pay tax.


They arent "loopholes" its called the Single Market of the European Union. When the EU has full control of taxation and operates as a goverment it wont be a problem will it.


Oh that sounds so much like just giving up. Sad

Glass half-full: When we are, again, in control of our own destiny, as any sovereign state should be, these scams will no longer be available, and we will be able to buy coffee from local coffee shops and local book shops. Smile
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: seriously? fucking cunts Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
yet they STILL aren't pursuing large companies for tax money.

just further proof the government is seriously fucking backwards.

CUNTS!


That is about as incorrect as it could possibly be.

Almost from the moment the coalition Government came into power, Osborne has made it clear that avoidance of tax (which is different from evasion) would be pursued both on an individual and corporate level.

Why do you think it's become newsworthy?

Because the powers that be are finally taking action on it. You think big companies only started tax avoidance schemes in 2010?
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: seriously? fucking cunts Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
radio advert

if you haven't declared your income

HMRC is looking for

go to www.sortmytax.gov.uk (or .com to that effect)

yet they STILL aren't pursuing large companies for tax money.

just further proof the government is seriously fucking backwards.

CUNTS!

I admire your spirit, but to have that point of view surely you must feel hard done by, in that YOUR money isn't being spent well.

Just how much tax have you paid, Chris?
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You really don't get it do you?

The UK is one of the most highly taxed nations in the world, this means that we have to compete extra hard to get any large companies to come here. Take google for instance, if they had to pay full corporation tax do you think they would continue having such a large UK operation? I think they would probably go elsewhere. Ok, so you've just lost 1000 jobs, thats 1000 people claiming JSA and a lost income of whatever tax google is paying to the UK (£60m IIRC). Furthermore, google in particular give a LOT of money to charities, mostly british charities, so they do their bit for the country.

The government don't target these large corporations or plug the loopholes because if they did they would loose the companies and they can't afford to do that.

Think about the wider picture next time before just spouting off another daily mail fed opinion.
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mad_Mushroom wrote:
Stop blaming companys and pay attention to those uprooting Europe bit by bit.


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Or move to Luxembourg like I've done and benefit from that tax money Smile
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
D O G wrote:


You have no clue as to how it works, do you?

Any idea how taxable profits are cacluated?


Sure!

If you have a UK company, you set up a similar company where the tax is low. Say Ireland or something.

You then send a load of invoices (real or other wise) from the Ireland office to the UK office charging the UK company for something.

These invoices are priced artificially high to boost the costs of the UK arm. Wiping out all its taxable profits.

Those profits get taxed at the lower rate.

Even if you're sending fake invoices and its just a paper transaction.

Or if you're a big super market beginning with the letter T, with a lot of MPs in its pocket. You shunt it through the Cayman Isles.


I know how it works, but the OP doesn't.

What is a fake invoice anyway?

Perhaps you should expand your post with an explanation of the Transfer Pricing rules, which are highly relevant to your post and conveniently omitted.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

D O G wrote:


What is a fake invoice anyway?


Margaret Moran knows.. Wink

D O G wrote:

Perhaps you should expand your post with an explanation of the Transfer Pricing rules, which are highly relevant to your post and conveniently omitted.


Pass, all I know is that the system is pretty corrupt, if you are a big company you ask the director of Inland Revenue around for dinner, 'things' happen.

Like this:

https://brightgreenscotland.org/index.php/2012/09/why-i-gate-crashed-the-hmrc-boss-dinner/

I personally reckon he is an excellent dinner guest and he is as clean as Tony Blair Wink
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
D O G wrote:


What is a fake invoice anyway?


Margaret Moran knows.. Wink

D O G wrote:

Perhaps you should expand your post with an explanation of the Transfer Pricing rules, which are highly relevant to your post and conveniently omitted.


Pass, all I know is that the system is pretty corrupt, if you are a big company you ask the director of Inland Revenue around for dinner, 'things' happen.

Like this:

https://brightgreenscotland.org/index.php/2012/09/why-i-gate-crashed-the-hmrc-boss-dinner/

I personally reckon he is an excellent dinner guest and he is as clean as Tony Blair Wink


What a bunch of vile self-satisfied filth. Mad
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 29 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: seriously? fucking cunts Reply with quote

U_W v2.0 wrote:

yet they STILL aren't pursuing large companies for tax money.

Also, they're not pursuing bikers for speeding on trackdays - surely a 'loop hole' to the speed rules?

After all, they're breaking the national speed limit, but have just found a way to do this illegal thing that the law hasn't been applied to correctly yet? The law is there but not specifically applying, so it's avoidance, of course.

How careful are you with where your money is used?
People and businesses want the best savings interest rates and the lowest credit interest rates. To get those, institutions need to make the most money they can.
This can mean buying shares in companies that provide the best returns on investment.

You're not going to do so well if you've got the chance to pay 10% rather than 30% tax, but chooser the latter.
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