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DonDino
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Hand warmers Reply with quote

I wonder if anyone's come across these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000MU4IJ2/?tag=hydra0b-21&hvadid=9557926269&ref=asc_df_B000MU4IJ2

I happened to see them at Selfridges, not these same ones but a different brand, read "crystals, activation, etc" and thought "fruitloops", but I thought, it's Selfridges selling them, so I'll give them a go.

They actually work and almost burned my hands quite crispy before I started writing this!

I put them inside the bike gloves, then put gloves on, with packs on top of my hands - they fit nicely in my Spada gloves. Grip and dexterity don't seem to be compromised, and the packs get really hot! I didn't try riding the bike with them, but I'm guessing they should provide good heating even with the windchill head on.

The box says that out in the open, they last 30 minutes, but inside gloves etc they can go on for hours.

Can't wait to give them a go riding in -2 tomorrow!
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20-x-PAIRS-LITTLE-HOTTIES-HAND-WARMERS-SAFE-WINTER-GOLF-SKI-GLOVES-THERMAL-NEW-/251152625269?pt=UK_Sporting_Goods_Skiing_Snowboarding_Clothing_LE&hash=item3a79dcee75

These are not re-usable but are cheap and last for hours and they also do a big version that fits in with the back protector Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a Zippo handwarmer when I'm out and about in the winter. One full fuel charge lasts all day and they're very effective. Smile
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're pretty cool, useful to just keep in a topbox. Someone gave me a pair about five years ago (although I've since lost them Sad )

They were really good for warming your hands halfway through a cold ride with inadequate gloves Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The instore (store 21??) or whatever its called now are selling them in the shape of smiley faces £2 for two.
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PostPosted: 02:39 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Often thought about these. Wondered if you dropped it down your jacket, or put it in an open inside pocket, whether it would generate enough heat to keep your body warm, and if layers would trap the heat in.
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok kids, let's do some science:


The liquid inside the hand warmer is normally a super saturated solution of sodium acetate (salt and vinegar crisp flavouring). A super saturated solution is one in which it has more of the stuff dissolved in it than should be possible under normal circumstances.

When you click the metal thing, it acts as a nucleation point - same way a scratch on a windscreen attracts frost formation or the etching at the bottom of a beer glass causes bubbles to form. From this nucleation point a crystal forms, acts as a nucleation point for the rest of the solution and the solution crystallises out. This crystallisation is exothermic so heat is released upon crystal formation, making your hands (or your bollocks) warm.

Boiling them adds back in the energy released as heat earlier and allows the sodium acetate to redissolve.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got an archery friend that has Lupus and she uses these on all but the hottest of days for her hands.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Ok kids, let's do some science:


The liquid inside the hand warmer is normally a super saturated solution of sodium acetate (salt and vinegar crisp flavouring). A super saturated solution is one in which it has more of the stuff dissolved in it than should be possible under normal circumstances.

When you click the metal thing, it acts as a nucleation point - same way a scratch on a windscreen attracts frost formation or the etching at the bottom of a beer glass causes bubbles to form. From this nucleation point a crystal forms, acts as a nucleation point for the rest of the solution and the solution crystallises out. This crystallisation is exothermic so heat is released upon crystal formation, making your hands (or your bollocks) warm.

Boiling them adds back in the energy released as heat earlier and allows the sodium acetate to redissolve.


Thanks for that. Makes sense to me now. Thumbs Up Smile
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
Thanks for that. Makes sense to me now. Thumbs Up Smile



No worries. When I first saw them, I couldn't let it go until I had figured out what was in it and how the metal clicker worked Laughing .
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
They're pretty cool, useful to just keep in a topbox. Someone gave me a pair about five years ago (although I've since lost them Sad )

They were really good for warming your hands halfway through a cold ride with inadequate gloves Laughing


Cool Hand Warmers???

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PostPosted: 23:30 - 12 Dec 2012    Post subject: Anyone know where to buy them offline? Reply with quote

Hi,

Does anyone know the best shop to buy these in the high street? I've had my DAS course all of this week and my hands have been f*n freezing. I even purchased a pair of North Face thin gloves for under my winter gloves to no avail.

Mod 1 and 2 booked for Friday, never thought i'd be happy to see rain on the forecast - especially since most have been cancelled recently. Crappy time to learn how to ride a bike!
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 12 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hot water bottle inside your jacket. Problem solved.

Hey...why do we not do this? Shocked
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 12 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could just use the equivalent of a diving suit underneath and have a wee when it get's too bad.
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christ! Just dug out the twin pack I must've bought 5 or 6 years ago. The one I never used (still liquid), I clicked and it still works great. I'm going to try and boil the other one that I stored used for all these years to see if that can be made to work again too.

Wouldn't have expected them to last this long!

I get stiff knees in the cold, it would be epic to somehow attach these reusable warmers to my knees. I should've done that when in Poland at -40 , maybe it would have stopped my knees from going solid. The uses!
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 25 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
I use a Zippo handwarmer when I'm out and about in the winter. One full fuel charge lasts all day and they're very effective. Smile


The Zippo Hand Warmer is pretty awesome. It lasts up to 22 hours.

On the other hand, it can be inconvenient to light. A rechargeable electric hand warmer will last 4 to 5 hours, enough for most rides. Less messy, less fussy.

Definitely wouldn't drop a Zippo down my shirt. Rarely (but it can happen), the carrying pouch can shift, allowing too much oxygen to reach the burner. That causes it to really heat up. Great for getting it really warm to start with, but not something you'd want down your shirt. Wink

If you want a full run down of pros and cons, see my in-depth review on The Zippo Hand Warmer and some alternative-technology competition https://outdoorgearandtravel.com/?p=2904).[/url]
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 25 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
Hot water bottle inside your jacket. Problem solved.

Hey...why do we not do this? Shocked


A litre of 70+ degree water underneath several layers of clothing in a crash.

What could go wrong?
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 25 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

you all fail so bad.

the clicker type hand warmers last exactly fuck:all

what you need is one of these:
https://store.advancedmart.com/sseinplcaflh.html

i have one for work and it usually runs out around about exactly the time i clock off 8am - 5:30pm. it doesnt last 24 hours though - no idea why it says that.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 25 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ogat wrote:
Islander wrote:
I use a Zippo handwarmer when I'm out and about in the winter. One full fuel charge lasts all day and they're very effective. Smile


The Zippo Hand Warmer is pretty awesome. It lasts up to 22 hours.

On the other hand, it can be inconvenient to light. A rechargeable electric hand warmer will last 4 to 5 hours, enough for most rides. Less messy, less fussy.

Definitely wouldn't drop a Zippo down my shirt. Rarely (but it can happen), the carrying pouch can shift, allowing too much oxygen to reach the burner. That causes it to really heat up. Great for getting it really warm to start with, but not something you'd want down your shirt. Wink

If you want a full run down of pros and cons, see my in-depth review on The Zippo Hand Warmer and some alternative-technology competition https://outdoorgearandtravel.com/?p=2904).[/url]


The key is to keep the velcro closure of the pouch nice and clean - I've never had one come open on me tbh. Smile

I fuel and light it indoors (I just use a disposable gas lighter on the cat - it's no bother at all to get going) at the start of the day and it'll run all day with no need to do anything more. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 25 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
you all fail so bad.

the clicker type hand warmers last exactly fuck:all

what you need is one of these:
https://store.advancedmart.com/sseinplcaflh.html

i have one for work and it usually runs out around about exactly the time i clock off 8am - 5:30pm. it doesnt last 24 hours though - no idea why it says that.


That looks a lot better than using a lighter. It's $60 with shipping at your link above.

A much better price is at amazon, $47 including shipping:
https://www.amazon.com/Deluxe-Electric-ignite-pocket-warmer/dp/B00A9OCJZG

Thanks, may spring for one of those.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 25 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, that link is a bit expensive. i got mine for £30 inc delivery.

or even cheaper: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pocket-Hand-Warmer-S-Boston-Quick-start-One-touch-safe-Ignition-compact-design-/300810643378?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item4609b627b2

quick tip: dont try petrol. it smokes, stinks, ruins the measurer and probably the catalyst too. it makes no heat either to boot

lighter fuel only Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 25 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

First got some of these in about 1991 and they were great, but couldn't find any more for about 10 years.

They don't last that long, as others have said, but being reusable makes them worthwhile. About half an hour is as long as I have got them to last. However you can boil them to reset them and put them down your gloves while still warm, then click them to trigger them half an hour later (be careful, if you click them while still warm they can get nobbin hot).

All the best

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PostPosted: 22:36 - 25 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tried them once when I suffered from frozen fingers. Warm palms, fingers still frozen though Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 25 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

CH3COOH + NaHCO3 → CH3COONa + H2O + CO2


= hand warmers
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 26 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derivative wrote:
Benno wrote:
Hot water bottle inside your jacket. Problem solved.

Hey...why do we not do this? Shocked


A litre of 70+ degree water underneath several layers of clothing in a crash.

What could go wrong?


Well yes. But hopefully it will have cooled a little in the time between setting off and the crash.
The water that comes out of my hot tap is never anywhere near boiling temperature though so it may not cause any serious scalding.
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