Prometheus

[-Savage-]

Ok, so just drunkenly watched Prometheus, this is a convo on FB about it.
Do you guys agree, disagree, or have anything to add?
I am not 100% sure wtf was goinng on, but what follows is my drunken interpretation of it.
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Naeve Savage fire lit. wine poured. onesie and panda poncho on. time for prometheus

JohnBoy Middleton its a lot of rubbish that film loads of unexplained bits in it but sorry for the spioler lol have a great and safe on e

Gary Savage Here JohnBoy, I think me and you need to sit down with a few bottles of Whiskey, (and yes I spelt it with an E) and watch Prometheus. It admittedly did raise one major question, but I think it answered a few that had been lingering since Alien as well. Maybe not the best in the Alien series, and definitely borrowed heavily from Alien, but in its own right I feel it stands as part of the Alien universe. Admittedly I don't like the direction this film lead us in, but I understand it and accept its legitimise. I will now follow with a drunken synopsis of my interpretation of what the film was trying to impart, in term of adding to the Alien universe.

JohnBoy Middleton Ok

Gary Savage These dudes, called the engineers, are an alien species, genetically similar to us human/homo sapien. The crew of the Prometheus happened upon a planet, under direction of the Weyland corporation, which turned out to be a forward operating base/ weapons development plant. The crew then found themselves entering one of many "engineer" spacecraft, which were stationed in underground hangers, and unwittingly activated (due to their atmospheric contamination of being there) the bioweapons stored within its cargo hold. These bioweapons then attacked some of the crew.
we see the android David taking a sample of one of the bioweapons and purposly infecting one pf the crew, namely a male who he knew would be most likley to have intercourse on the mission, thus infecting a female in the crew with a human/bioweapon hybrid for further research. we also saw that Mr.Weyland was on board hoping that the "engineers" held the key to human life, and was directing the whole affair.
Davids agenda was to secure a sample of the "engineere" by any means possible, second only to ensuring the continuing existance of Mr.Weyland. Much like Ash form Alien, he was very mush under orders to ensure the alien life form was sampled at the expense of the human crew.
The "engineere" was believed by some memebers, David etc, to be responsinble for seeding life on earth in their own image, through some sort of cloning, althoug the female protagonist(I've forgot her name) beleived that a superior being ie god, created both the engineers and earthlings/humans both theories explaining why they both share DNA trates.
The "engineeres" seem to have either discovered an Alien species, or developed one, but the species of huge face hugger and pointy headed Alien we see in Prometheus, has definatly been further genetically engineered by the time we find the derilict "engineere" spacecraft in Alien. I believe that the basic Alien life from was discovered on a homeworld by the "engineers" and further weaponised by them to create the Alien species we all know and love.
If a common creator made both human and "engineer" then we can see a reason why the "engineers" want us humans dead, ie to take over/colonise our world, but if as David suggested the "engineers" created us and then changed their minds, why would they 1st change their minds, 2ndly need to erradicate us from a meaningless planet, and 3rdly have such a heavy arsonel of bioweapons to do the job.
I think that the bioweapons were part of a civil war/ other war and developed for that purpose. Earth was discovered as a suitable habitat and it was decided that the "engineers" would invade earth to colonise it as a base/new homeworld. This required the sencient life to be erradicated, and hence the mission for the ship discovered in Prometheus to head to earth with a full payload.
If the "engineers" seeded us on earth then I dont have a fuck whats going on.

Lol
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[pinkyfloyd]

Pretty much about it.

But a simpler version, and I say this as someone who thinks Aliens and Alien are the best movies ever made (in that order) to the point where I have one tattooed on my shoulder.

Prometheus was wank.

It was worse than alien3 and almost as bad as Resurrection. The movie left more questions than it answered and its evident that Scott had a semi decent storyline which he ended up changing at the last minute. There were crap actors being crap, good actors being crap and I've never seen such a wooden series of acting scenes that bad since Crossroads.

As far as stand alone movies went it was confusing and bad. As far as an Alien franchise movie went it was terrible.
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Teflon-Mike:I think I agree with just about all Pinky has said.

[-Savage-]

I have to agree with you Pinky, but as a die hard Alien fan I have all the books and everything neatly arranged into my Alien universe lol. I was trying to get my head around this and justify it as a good film to a mate, but I really need to see where it fits into the Alien universe. Ridley Scott can not ever be slagged,, but I feel that he may be questioned. lol. Glad I didn't fuck up the story too much in my synopsis though, but as you say Alien for best Sci-Fi Horror, and Aliens for best Sci-Fi Action. Even 30 odd years on.


BTW Pinky, what are your thoughts on "the fleg" lol
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[keggyhander]

I watched Prometheus the day it came out on DVD. I don't do Cinemas.

I'm a massive Alien fan so was looking forward to watching it. I was left disappointed.

There are two kinds of fans:

A) Fans of Alien (and Alien3)

B) Fans of Aliens (and Resurrection)

Fans of "A" like believable characters, good cinematography, consistency of design, suspense, and find the entire "Alien Universe" interesting, not just the iconic Xenomorphs.

Fans of "B" like annoying, unprofessional "lary" characters, crash-bang-wallop action, give zero fucks for cinematography and consistency of design and just want to see marines shooting at Xenomorphs.

Prometheus tried to cater to both and ended up neither fish nor fowl.

Character-wise, Prometheus was a mess. You didn't give a shit about any except Shaw. Vickers added nothing to the film. Fifield would have been weeded out in pre-mission screening, and if not then he would have had the shit kicked out of him for being a knobhead. David would not have released the infection on the ship in case Weyland caught it. Captain Janek was just a cardboard cut-out.

Compare this with Alien. Every character in Alien was utterly believable. The captain (of a lowly mining tug) had the respect of the crew AND the audience. Everyone of the rest knew their jobs and did them, and behaved realistically when the shit hit the fan. Losing any of them was a loss.

With regard to cinematography/design, yes there was consistency between the corridors of the Prometheus and those of the Nostromo, but the bridge/hologram effects were not consistent. The ship was far more futuristic than a film set a hundred years later. (This also afflicts "Aliens" which looks bizarrely dated when compared to "Alien". Alien3 was consistent with Alien). The futuristic bridge of the prometheus detracts from the weird and wonderful VR controls of the Engineer's ship. Having the Prometheus bridge closer to that of the Nostromo would have given the Engineer ship a better impact.

Fans of Alien having been crying out for years for a backstory to the "Space Jockey". Fans of Aliens just want the Xenomorph to make an appearance. When the Engineer awakens we don't even get his response to David, and the entire scene is a wasted opportunity.

The main problem with the film is Damon Lindelof and his style of leaving unanswered "Questions" and silly viral videos. Leaving questions unanswered and expecting people to get snippets of backstory from viral videos may be fine and dandy for Cloverfield and LOST, but that shit just doesn't fly in an Alien film. Everything needed to understand the film should be contained somewhere within the film's running time, even if it takes multiple viewings to do so.

"But they didn't explain the "Space Jockey in Alien!!", I hear you cry. But Alien wasn't about the Space Jockey. It was about a creature brought on to a ship attached to the face of a fallen crew member.

Prometheus WAS about the Space Jockeys/Engineers.

And they might as well not have bothered.

But at least one of them shit a Xenomorph out. YAY FOR ALIENS!!!

[pinkyfloyd]

I can only hope that the "sequels" explain how it fits in to the Alien world.

As for the Fleg. PM ya.
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Teflon-Mike:I think I agree with just about all Pinky has said.

[ocatoro]

it fits in right at the beginning... hence "prequel".

it really wasn't bad. i watched it last week and very much enjoyed it. i'm not a die hard alien fan, but i have seen them all and theyre good movies.

questions leaves room for another movie.... which is good in my book, i certainly want to see more along these lines.
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[pinkyfloyd]

Keggy has hit it pretty spot on the mark.

Few points I'll add is I loved Aliens and Alien but not the other 2. Alien3 was a fantastic piece of cinema. My main issue with the movie was they tried to capture the panic and claustrophobia of the first movie and missed ever so slightly. But it was enough of a miss to notice for any fans of the first movie.

Aliens I preferred because when it came out I was at that impressionable age and the gung ho of it just captured me in my youth. Ghostbusters done the same and I remember running around with my mates with cereal boxes turned into backpacks playing Ghostbusters in the woods behind the estate. (Kids of today miss so much!)

The trouble with Prometheus is Lindelof took Scotts script and rewrote key parts in it, taking the movie in another direction than Scott had penned and the movie does show a missmatch of 2 different stories trying to fight for the same space. One story was "What was the space jockey?" and the other was "Where did the Alien come from?" and the missmatch just ruined the movie. It seemed to me that they were trying to insinuate that the "alien" was a manufactured weapon created by the space jockey who also created humans.

Why they created us? Who knows. Why did they want to destroy us? Who knows (but that could be answered in Paradise). Did they create the Alien? If so how? but I think most of all unanswered was:

https://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/concept006.jpg

Why the fuck is there a great big Xenomorph on the wall?
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illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
Hockeystorm65:.well there are childish arguments...there are very childish arguments.....there are really stupid childish arguments and now there are......Pinkfloyd arguments!
Teflon-Mike:I think I agree with just about all Pinky has said.

[Lord Percy]

Sorry but I saw so much in Prometheus, way beyond the standard escapism of any typical movie. It was another sci-fi legendary, up there with Blade Runner, I-Robot (yep) and all the other Alien Movies. Seriously deep and well-thought Futurist themes ran through the whole thing.

Then again I was a Media Studies student so I see way too much into most films

[st3v3]

As someone dragged up watching them, and not-so-much a fan I'd say it was the easiest to watch, least scary/softest.

Although I think I'd have to rewatch them all to say what imo's best /worst but il probably never do that.
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[pa_broon74]

I watched Prometheus and was left somewhat confused, then I read this: https://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/3401/a-noobs-guide-to-prometheus/p1 *

And remained confused.

Someone else said it wasn't actually part of the 'Alien' world, it was to one side of it so shouldn't be thought of in those terms.

As I said though, I'm still confused.



* Lest there be energetically pedantic shouts of 'repost', I may have found the link above via a thread on here. As with most other normal non-pedants who frequent this forum, I really can't be arsed (and certainly don't feel the need) to check.
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