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duncanpage
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Bikesafe course in Eastbourne Reply with quote

Hi all

I'm considering booking myself & possibly my dad (if his bike is back on the road in time) for a bikesafe course in Eastbourne.
It's £50 each rider.
Has anyone done this course & especially in or around Eastbourne?
If so did you learn anything new or was it mostly just common sense?
Does it help bring down the cost of insurance at all?
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably won't touch the insurance.

Wouldn't bother personally.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Negligible impact on insurance, but a good day out. I learned stuff, particularly about reading the road - for me specifically, looking at what the council has spent money on, like barriers, signs, road paint, etc. - point being that most of these things are because of past incidents, and if you think about them you can almost visualize the previous accidents. Another is doing safe overtakes in the wet - pulling out before accelerating, and accelerating in a straight line, minimizes the risks of spinning up, and if you do spin up, it's controllable, whereas a swervey overtake that spins up will likely end in a crash.

If you ride in the advanced style (motorcycle roadcraft book), they'll give you constructive criticism about how you can improve. If you don't, well, that's really the style they advocate, and the day is sort of designed to feed into IAM or RoSPA, which in turn use roadcraft as their course book.

The advanced style is useful as a system for analysing dodgy situations you've been in, and figuring the best way to fix your style to minimize the problems. It's mostly common sense, but having it exhaustively listed is useful to make sure you haven't forgotten anything. If you adopt that style (for the day at least), you'll get the most value out of it.

The one bit of the style I don't really follow is straightlining to minimize steering actions. I like taking corners in the dry, so if the road wanders around, I'll follow the road, and if a totally clear roundabout has multiple lanes, I won't straightline it unless it's wet. Got me told off by a bike copper at a traffic lights, my one and only telling off, but I was having fun.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
The one bit of the style I don't really follow is straightlining to minimize steering actions. I like taking corners in the dry, so if the road wanders around, I'll follow the road, and if a totally clear roundabout has multiple lanes, I won't straightline it unless it's wet. Got me told off by a bike copper at a traffic lights, my one and only telling off, but I was having fun.


Are you saying that the copper told you off FOR straightlining or for NOT straightlining?

Whilst it results in less steering needed and therefore safer for the rider I'd have thought it would confuse other road users (unless they're bikers) and I'd have thought the police wouldn't have looked too kindly on straightlining over multiple lanes?
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

duncanpage wrote:
Are you saying that the copper told you off FOR straightlining or for NOT straightlining?


He told me off for "throwing the bike around a lot, but not making much progress" (since we stopped at a traffic light, whereupon he could say something to me). I was following the lines of the roundabout in a way that maximized my fun, whereas if I had straightened my path but within my lane, as it were, I'd have gotten to the same traffic light with less "throwing around".

It's one of my favourite roundabouts that I do daily when it's dry, it's never had traction problems in the past 3 years I've ridden it, it has traffic light timing that mean you usually have a clear path all the way around and off the exit, so I take it as an opportunity to lean.

He proceeded to follow two bike lengths behind me, while I was going exactly 30mph (34mph indicated), until I got to a sharp left turn which I took at 30mph (still throwing it around Mr. Green) but he took at about 20mph, and hence I lost him at the next traffic light. Cool
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose that would be how they ride when chasing someone, use less energy, keep up speed, etc, but it must be tiring riding like that all the time!
Like you say, sometimes you just want to enjoy the ride!!!
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
Got me told off by a bike copper at a traffic lights, my one and only telling off,


Told off or strongly advised.? ........... There is a difference. Confused



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PostPosted: 03:13 - 29 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you get like a certificate at the end of your course?
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PostPosted: 06:22 - 29 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick_Giles wrote:
Told off or strongly advised.? ........... There is a difference. Confused


Just a "friendly hint" when stopped at the traffic light. A light telling off, or mediumly advised. I wasn't breaking any laws and I don't think I was in any risk of being nabbed for anything.

illuminateTHEmind wrote:
Do you get like a certificate at the end of your course?


You do get a certificate.
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PostPosted: 07:24 - 29 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enhanced Rider Scheme is a better option if you can find a subsidised course locally.

https://www.dft.gov.uk/fyn/enhanced.php
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 29 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

duncanpage wrote:
barrkel wrote:
The one bit of the style I don't really follow is straightlining to minimize steering actions. I like taking corners in the dry, so if the road wanders around, I'll follow the road, and if a totally clear roundabout has multiple lanes, I won't straightline it unless it's wet. Got me told off by a bike copper at a traffic lights, my one and only telling off, but I was having fun.


Are you saying that the copper told you off FOR straightlining or for NOT straightlining?

Whilst it results in less steering needed and therefore safer for the rider I'd have thought it would confuse other road users (unless they're bikers) and I'd have thought the police wouldn't have looked too kindly on straightlining over multiple lanes?


Nothing wrong with straightening a roundabout - I do it all the time. It's good for making progress but not always the safest option. You have to be very aware of what is going on around you when you start cutting across lanes.

So here is the issue - a Bikesafe course where traffic cops are telling you to use a technique that is not always safe... Cut across a lane when something you didn't see is in your blind spot and game over.

A bit scary that novice and inexperienced riders are being told to do this.

I have reservations about these courses and what people are taught, but then again I have issues with some of the things the IAM teach too.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 29 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
Nothing wrong with straightening a roundabout - I do it all the time.

A bit scary that novice and inexperienced riders are being told to do this.


Who told you people are being told to do this?
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 29 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't pay for it. It costs less to buy Roadcraft, and then get a free "assessed ride" with the local IAM or RoSPA.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 29 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I wouldn't pay for it. It costs less to buy Roadcraft, and then get a free "assessed ride" with the local IAM or RoSPA.


I have spoken to 4 people since I passed my test and all of them say the police bikesafe courses are worth every penny and more besides. Smile

Plan to do one myself in the new year. Apparently the one run by Merseyside police finish off with a few runs of the 'Horseshoe pass' which they say is worth the fee alone for what they learn.

Worth a visit :- https://www.ponderosacafe.co.uk/


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PostPosted: 12:38 - 29 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

And now you've heard from one person who says otherwise. Wink

It entirely depends on the local outfit and indeed who you go out on the road with. The Strathclyde one was massively over-subscribed, and turned out to be a (fairly good) lecture on what I already knew from Roadcraft, some non-committal Q&A, and then we got palmed off on the local IAM to do the assessed rides anyway.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 29 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick_Giles wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
I wouldn't pay for it. It costs less to buy Roadcraft, and then get a free "assessed ride" with the local IAM or RoSPA.


I have spoken to 4 people since I passed my test and all of them say the police bikesafe courses are worth every penny and more besides. Smile

Plan to do one myself in the new year. Apparently the one run by Merseyside police finish off with a few runs of the 'Horseshoe pass' which they say is worth the fee alone for what they learn.

Worth a visit :- https://www.ponderosacafe.co.uk/


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PostPosted: 16:20 - 29 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

shameful that your force is making you pay. it was and is still free in Staffs, i wouldn't say it was worth £50 either.

I did it for something to do, not for any insurance reasons. Had a good time and had some decent advise.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 29 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

illuminateTHEmind wrote:
i may do it as well now... Mr. Green


Yes. I am sure that the instructors would be very grateful of any advise you can give them. Shocked

Why don't you borrow one of Paddy's bikes to do it on.? Laughing Twisted Evil Laughing



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