new Honda supermoto CRF250M

Val · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Nov 2012 Karma :

just found new Honda supermoto CRF250M Thumbs Up

https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8087/8386469221_42fa94e2bc_o.jpg

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Nexus Icon · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Karma :

Can't find any performance specs though.
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AlanC · Scooby Slapper Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Karma :

Looks like the CRF250L with road wheels, so it'll probably weigh in at around 143kg and have 23bhp.

I'm keeping my WR250X, thanks. Wink

G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

A whole 6kg heavier.

I'll stick with a KTM200/300, thanks. Wink

I do wonder if there's ever been a time that the average power of new bike's power has got lower on average over the board.

Howling TerrorOutOfOffice · Super Spammer Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Karma :

What can you do to an engine like that to give it more power?
I too can't find the official specs, only articles saying 23hp and 16ft of torque.
23hp! Have Honda gone completely soft?
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

Not much worth doing - get a decent bike if you want one.

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Irn-Bru · World Chat Champion Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Karma :

140kg+ 23bhp? Laughing

I'd rather have a 125 2smoker, a DTX (supermoto DTR) would surely rival those specs.

Sounds like a decent commuter I suppose.
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Val · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Nov 2012 Karma :

It is CRF250L with road wheels.

I agree it is underpowered and a little heavy, but on the plus side it is Honda and do 90 mpg and most of all I like how it looks Very Happy

It will be nice commuting bike and if the price in UK is around £2900 ($4500 is sugested price around the world) it gets attractive given the fact WR250X is double at £6400 and KTMs are around £4000.

However knowing rip off Britain prices probably the greedy twats will sell it for £4000.
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

I don't take 'honda' to be a positive - you know that it'll be that bit more boring than a bike with similar specs!

£2.9k before taxes would mean they'd be selling them for just under £2.2k realistically. With the current exchange rate, that doesn't seem too reasonable. Their new monkey bike is going to be around £2.5k I believe.

No full size KTMs are near £4k; but then the KTMs are proper performance bikes, rather than slow and heavy trail bikes.
My KTM690 only weighs a little more than this, yet boasts 2.5x the power.

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Irn-Bru · World Chat Champion Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Karma :

They just aren't massively into making big thumpers these days, not sure why, they're good on fuel and loads of fun at legal speeds. There's not really a Japanese competitor to the 690, they're too busy with the 250 market, DRZ's aren't even made anymore either (at least not in Europe).
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

There was the XTZ660 series - but of course they were massively heavy and rather underpowered.

08 was the last of the 'cheap' bikes. I paid £5.8k for my 690 which seemed really expensive - until the ticket price went up by £1k the next year thanks to 'the credit crunch'.

I presume the Japanese has decided that the sort of people that buy their bikes are buying more on looks and general 17 year old fanciability, so they focus on that.
While KTM at least generally aims for people that want a focused machine that's very good at what it does.

(Though, of course using the duke enigne in the 690 enduro without changing the gearing is a bit questionable, amongst other compromises made with this model.)

bikertomm · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Jul 2010 Karma :

I really do wish someone would make a decent supermoto that just does everything well.

Something slightly more powerful than a DRZ, A bit lighter as standard and I'd be happy!

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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

Ok, it's not lighter, but the KTM690 and SM610 are a similar weight to a DRZ400S, but have a good bit better suspension, a fair bit more power and not too bad reliability.

You could get the older KTM 660 in a 'factory' version which was really silly light (competition bike light), but not sure of the reliability.

Of course, some people do add oil coolers to the competition bikes and run them with a good bit longer service intervals fine. Though that does tend to be dirt rather than road riding.