they want more the greedy b*stards

[oldpink]

so were not all in it together

[N cee thirty]

We're in trillions of debt and not much way back now so who gives a fuck

hopefully labour will get back in power and just give money away for teh lulz
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[Joncrete Cungle]

The cap on benefits and pressing for a mahoosive pay rise. Methinks someone is expecting a nasty dose of inflation in the next 3 years or so.

[D O G]

Not wholly accurate.

The anonymous survey asked MP's how much they believed the post should be paid, not how big a pay rise they should have.

There was no 'calling for' pay rises, this was a survey to assess opinions on whether the remuneration is appropriate, with no suggestion that it would result in an increase.

[D O G]

How much should the be paid, anyway?

[Nexus Icon]

No one in their right mind would think they were paid enough if asked in a survey.

Why should politicians be any different?
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[TheSmiler]

If they expected to be paid more it is a complete joke, they already get enough benefits which they shouldn't be entitled to believe £55k is actually about right £60k max.

They get a second view when the law comes into play, like the Mp's who used fraud with their expenses. Personally believe they should have all of their work commuting benefits removed, if they have to fly or use a train then go by normal class. You shouldn't be able to claim it back on traveling expenses. Also instead of having secondary homes over London have a massive block house/flat and move them all in there.

Also for those that think the quality of Mp's might drop because of the reduced pay and benefits I seriously doubt it would and believe the opposite would come into play. If you want to be an Mp you should do it because you want to help out the country not because of the perks.
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[pinkyfloyd]

Dunno about you lot but I'll never earn their current salary and if I did I would live like a king.

But then thats probably because I've been used to not having a pot to piss in and had to make my money stretch. Give them a year on my salary and then ask them if they were underpaid before.
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[fatpies]

I think MPs should be paid £500K* a year at a minimum*

With the caveat that have to have industrial real life experience. Like Asian politicians do. Prez of China? Worked as a chemical engineer and the guy before that a hydralic engineer.

Also they are not allowed to work for a period of 5 years after they leave office. So 100K of the 500K is kept in trust for them to live on to pay out as a stipend. Also no expenses, no subsidised Parlimentary bar or bistro.

I don't buy the argument that more money buys talent as it is incomparable with the business world. It is easy to SPEND money, it is harder to make money. Corporates need to EARN money. Politicians and council staff have a captive market therefore they only worry about spending money.


Why do I want to pay them 500K and increasing their total pay to 3.2bn? Because it makes MPs more inclined to do the right thing rather than looking for bribes and making dodgy political choices which are bad for the country (like PFI) but benefit themselves.


There are a number of prime examples. Blunkett was more interested in getting the ID card contract to a company he was going to be given a job with after he left office. This wasted 10bn.

Blair spent his entire tenure looking for post retirement jobs nad betraying the country in persuit of these jobs. Pay him more? Iraq war might not have happened. 20bn saving right there. PFI might not have happened either 100bn saved right there too.


Gordon Brown, might not have sold British gold suspiciously cheap, saving the UK 9bn.



Its funny because its like the Chinese motorbike debate. Buy expensive Japanese and in the long term you save money on maintenance repairs and depreciation.
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[oldpink]

[Im-a-Ridah]

Some good points Fatpies.

These salary figures always come up, but they just present a number without considering the amount of work the person has done. A lot of MPs work very long days and do a lot of work, someone working a similar job in the private sector for long hours would probably get similar pay. A pay rise isn't justified though. There are other things I'd rather change about MPs, that are much more important than pay.

[Chalky.]

£65K is nothing to really write home about, and it's fuck all for London.

£65K in London is middle manager money, not top man or leader money.

[Rogerborg]

Fuckers don't live in fucking London though, do they?

£3,742 per month for their estate in the Cotswolds, plus their expenses. All their expenses.

When I'm God Emperor, they'll be on the national average wage, and they can pay their own bloody train fares and petrol too.
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[cimbian]

I think we should build a Travelodge-style building on a brown-field site within commuting distance of HoC. This would become the accommodation for MPs and their hanger-on brigade when at the HoC. Same as I have to use when on business trips. Breakfast of Little-Chef standard.

This would eliminate a huge amount of expenses plus it would be a national asset, not contributing to some personal capital gain. No spouse inclusion, these would be paid from personal expenses, albeit subsidised.

Married or live-in couples have a double/twin room FoC, not double entitlement.

Staffing for the accommodation should be UK nationals using the same qualification criteria as military, thereby circumventing EU regulations and must incorporate a trade-training element for development of youngsters in catering etc..

Concession would be to issue Oyster cards FoC to those staying there.

As for salary, this should be determined by public vote at the time of elections and index-linked.

Train travel should be from a corporate-buy but allow 1st class (in the absence of business class) but only for the MP and one advisor. The other members of their party either pay their own upgrade or travel in standard-class.

Working from home should not be paid as an expense but should be allowed to use the standard HMRC allowances for the same.
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[pinkyfloyd]

[oldpink]

£80k a year for a chaffer driven car for the guy that put up the train fare's
rather than use the bloody trains

[Derivative]

It's funny. I expected to see this sort of nonsense after the news broke, and lo and behold, here it is.

Is it really surprising or offensive that people want to be paid more? The fact they are MP's has absolutely sod all to do with it.

If someone handed me a survey and said "how much would you like to be paid" I'd write down the biggest number I could think of.

[pinkyfloyd]

[Derivative]

[Im-a-Ridah]

An accommodation block of a good standard for MPs would be a good idea, somewhere near near Parliament. They could incorporate other parliamentary facilities there too, perhaps some meeting rooms etc.

[angryjonny]

[pinkyfloyd]

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[pa_broon74]

I'm not sure what this story highlights has anything to do with money or MP renumeration at all.

I think it speaks volumes about how thick MP's are though. Did they really think this wouldn't find its way into the papers?

Here for your interest would be my thought process were I an MP and being asked whether I should be paid more:

- If I say 'yes I should' and the news finds its way into the mainstream press, how will that play out in the open?

- Given the current situation and how unpopular we are for making the cuts we're having to make (and some, if' I'm being honest we don't because deep down, we know it'll just make poor people even poorer but since I'm a sociapath with a heart of obsidian I don't give a fuck.) If I said yes, would this be excacerbated or alleviated?

- Will this make me look like the grasping out-of-touch tosspot that I actually am?

- Will saying 'yes I deserve more money' make me a) popular or b) even less popular

- Maybe I should say no.

- But since I'm a politician, ergo, a massive fucking chancer, i'm going to say; 'yes, I do deserve more money, and not just a little bit more; a lot more.'

This story does one thing and one thing only, it confirms that a great many of the people who are supposed represent us in the Westminster parliament are in fact; complete fucking morons.


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