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 Posted: 03:37 - 22 Nov 2012  Post subject: Getting my license before the new rules |
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I found out today that the rules are changing, and come the 19th of January, you need to be 24 to do the DAS.
Is it possible to go from nothing, to getting my DAS now, before the 19th?
CBT is a day. I can get my theory booked for the start of December, then I have just over a month to get my Mod 1 + 2 passed.
I need to phone a few places tomorrow, but how does it work with lessons? Do I need to do xyz hours over xyz weeks, or is it possible to do say 4 hours one day, 4 another, over a week or so?
I don't plan on getting my bike for a few more months, but want my license while I don't have to wait.
Is it also possible to do my theory, without having done my CBT? Just incase there is a bit of a wait for it.
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Pretty much as Jordan Says; big question is whether you can get test dates.
Self-book, and at many test centers, now, earliest test dates are already after January 19th, and many trying to get their tests 'in' in time are down to looking far and wide for test centers with earlier slots, then having booked a date, possibly after Jan 19th, checking the system daily for cancellations & trying to grab an earlier date if it comes up.
Theory, yes you can book and take that any time, you don't have to have your CBT completed first.
Training? There's traing to pass tests, and there's training to ride, and survive.... the two are not necessarily one and the same thing. I dont advocate crash-courses, BUT, many schools offer one-week intensive training courses, usually for DAS that include 'block-booked' test dates. This MAY give you a 'fast-track' to a test appointment, but it is expensive, and being a qualified rider, doesn't necessarily make you a 'good' rider, even LESS a 'safe' rider.... just bear that in mind.
I wouldn't say that it would be impossible to get a licence in the time remaining under existing test rules, BUT..... starting from scratch, odds aren't good.
If you had some head-start; a bike, a CBT and some months already in the saddle... and it was just a case of putting learning / experience into action and getting the ticket to ride, then odds would be long, but better, but trying to cram in learning to ride and all the logistics of getting tests and passing them.... its a tall order, and I wouldn't be buying a 500cc bike in anticipation of the plan coming together!
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| Posted: 12:18 - 22 Nov 2012 Post subject: Re: Getting my license before the new rules |
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| JFK who joined on the 1st July 2010 wrote: | CBT is a day. [...] I don't plan on getting my bike for a few more months |
Um, I don't know your backstory, but you've been here over 2 years. What biking experience do you have?
Book the theory today, right now. You'll need it before you can book a test yourself, and schools aren't going to be keen to give you one of their precious test slots without it. Even if you miss the deadline, it's good for 2 years, and presumably you'll get yourself some kind of license during that time.
Worst comes to the worst, if you're 19+ then you can get an A2 license next year that's good for up to 35kW or a more powerful bike plus a bit of paper saying "Is 35kW honest". That's enough to have fun on, it's much more generous than the current 25kW restriction.
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| Posted: 16:24 - 22 Nov 2012 Post subject: Re: Getting my license before the new rules |
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | Pretty much as Jordan Says; big question is whether you can get test dates.
Self-book, and at many test centers, now, earliest test dates are already after January 19th, and many trying to get their tests 'in' in time are down to looking far and wide for test centers with earlier slots, then having booked a date, possibly after Jan 19th, checking the system daily for cancellations & trying to grab an earlier date if it comes up.
Theory, yes you can book and take that any time, you don't have to have your CBT completed first.
Training? There's traing to pass tests, and there's training to ride, and survive.... the two are not necessarily one and the same thing. I dont advocate crash-courses, BUT, many schools offer one-week intensive training courses, usually for DAS that include 'block-booked' test dates. This MAY give you a 'fast-track' to a test appointment, but it is expensive, and being a qualified rider, doesn't necessarily make you a 'good' rider, even LESS a 'safe' rider.... just bear that in mind.
I wouldn't say that it would be impossible to get a licence in the time remaining under existing test rules, BUT..... starting from scratch, odds aren't good.
If you had some head-start; a bike, a CBT and some months already in the saddle... and it was just a case of putting learning / experience into action and getting the ticket to ride, then odds would be long, but better, but trying to cram in learning to ride and all the logistics of getting tests and passing them.... its a tall order, and I wouldn't be buying a 500cc bike in anticipation of the plan coming together! |
Thanks Mike. I understand completely that you learn once you've passed etc, and I will be taking steps to improve my riding skills once I have a bike (refresher lessons, IAM/whatever they are called etc).
I won't be buying a bike until I've passed, mainly because I can't afford it yet, and because my parents don't like the idea  .
| Rogerborg wrote: | | JFK who joined on the 1st July 2010 wrote: | CBT is a day. [...] I don't plan on getting my bike for a few more months |
Um, I don't know your backstory, but you've been here over 2 years. What biking experience do you have?
Book the theory today, right now. You'll need it before you can book a test yourself, and schools aren't going to be keen to give you one of their precious test slots without it. Even if you miss the deadline, it's good for 2 years, and presumably you'll get yourself some kind of license during that time.
Worst comes to the worst, if you're 19+ then you can get an A2 license next year that's good for up to 35kW or a more powerful bike plus a bit of paper saying "Is 35kW honest". That's enough to have fun on, it's much more generous than the current 25kW restriction. |
Its been one of those things that I've wanted to do for ages, but never had the money in the past. I tend to do loads of research into things before I take the jump, hence why I've been on here for two years before doing it!
CBT is booked in a couple of weeks, theory is getting booked on Monday once I've been paid.
Worst comes to the worst, I'll only have to wait a few months.
Thanks for the advice, I was expecting a longer reply from you though Mike  .
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| Posted: 18:43 - 23 Nov 2012 Post subject: |
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For the theory most questions are in the highway code, however beware of the question riding through high water, I've done 3 tests, two of those online with different answer, (high in slow gear/slow in high gear).
It also came up on theory, although not sure which answer they chose.
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| TheSmiler wrote: | For the theory most questions are in the highway code, however beware of the question riding through high water, I've done 3 tests, two of those online with different answer, (high in slow gear/slow in high gear).
It also came up on theory, although not sure which answer they chose. |
Lots of practice tests completed, passed them all so far. Just hazard perception I want to do some more of. Downloaded the highway code for my phone, 150 odd questions about it. Something to do when its quiet at work!
Just looking at a few bikes, at the moment I like the Bandit, Hornet and CB500. CB500 is cheaper (less than £1,000 gets me a nice one). Insurance is a lot cheaper too.
With insurance, is it worth getting fully comp/3rd party F&T or just 3rd party?
Fully comp is £400.
TPF&T is £300.
TP is £240.
Excess is £250 for TPF&T and £350 for fully comp.
With my car I've always gone for fully comp, mainly because its strangely cheaper than the others.
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| JFK wrote: | | TheSmiler wrote: | For the theory most questions are in the highway code, however beware of the question riding through high water, I've done 3 tests, two of those online with different answer, (high in slow gear/slow in high gear).
It also came up on theory, although not sure which answer they chose. |
Lots of practice tests completed, passed them all so far. Just hazard perception I want to do some more of. Downloaded the highway code for my phone, 150 odd questions about it. Something to do when its quiet at work! |
First off I apologize for any grammatical errors serious man flu at the moment.
IF you are struggling with hazzard perception videos on finding them or doing them use this site below.
https://www.driving-test-success.com/hazard/hazard_perception_main.html
There are 16 clips some might come up in your tests (there are over 300 clips I believe) however if they don't, the clips will still help you to win at the game. It's basically clicking at the right time to get the amount of points, soon as you can get used to the scoring method then you should have no problem with it.
I had the CD however I found that site more helpful with the videos, be worth a shot. Looking back at theory questions keep these in mind;
Motorway lights, what color are they and where are they on the motorway 
How do you cross tram lines (seems obvious but I will admit I got this one wrong)
What speed are mopeds and electric disability scooters limited too
That question came up for me on all three of my tests, so good to know it especially if you are going to use the motorway obviously. Another website that might help you with questions is this one below. Most of the questions are pretty easy and common knowledge however some might trip you up and you only need 8 wrong I believe it is and you will fail no pressure.
https://www.2pass.co.uk/mocktheorybiketest.htm#.ULQbwuTtTHR
There is also another theory website which I will look for you meanwhile below is another website as well (car questions but I'd believe that most will be the same that aren't related to the vehicle).
https://www.driving-school-beckenham.co.uk/mocktheory.html
This is an important lesson do not constantly remember the answers from the tests if you don't know why it is that answer.
| JFK wrote: | Just looking at a few bikes, at the moment I like the Bandit, Hornet and CB500. CB500 is cheaper (less than £1,000 gets me a nice one). Insurance is a lot cheaper too. |
Can't really recommend bikes as I'm still on 125 ( L plates) till next year decided not force myself into the tests this year unfortunately very demotivated at the moment. Others will be able to do that when they see the thread, although they are the most recommended "big bike" along with the SV, Gs500 and the Fazer.
All I know is once I've got my license next year I'm going for the Kwak GT550 as I've fallen in love with them.
| JFK wrote: | With insurance, is it worth getting fully comp/3rd party F&T or just 3rd party?
Fully comp is £400.
TPF&T is £300.
TP is £240.
Excess is £250 for TPF&T and £350 for fully comp.
With my car I've always gone for fully comp, mainly because its strangely cheaper than the others. |
Regards to the insurance what I would advise you to do is do a quote on the bike you are thinking of getting then change the data to include a claim for the bike being stolen. Depends how old you are obviously and where you live if you are in a high crime area then it will be more likely to get it pinched. However some times it may not be worth going for the FC. Especially if you are going to claim for a bike worth £1k and they are going to charge you an extra £800 on your insurance you have to see if it is worth it in the long run.
From viewing this forum most people seem to suggest to go TP on a 125 as you will get raped if you are younger on your insurance policies and you can save up enough to buy the bike with hard cash encase it does get half inched, although that might differ with a "big bike" (ffs hate calling it that).
In relation to FC being cheaper it depends on the luck of the draw, also if you ring up insurers and ask for the price of TP insurance then you might be given a higher quote as they believe that you believe you will have a crash. One thing that might change the price slightly is putting your job as something different, instead of putting shelf stacker you put sales assistant for example.
Think I've just popped my teflon... 
Sorry for the long post.
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That's really cutting it fine. I assume that you're going via a training school. Do they have pre-booked test slots for both mod 1 and 2 before January 19th?
If you're paying them for lessons then you could always do one before you've passed the theory. You're going to have to get up to speed really quickly, and if it turns out that you're a spacker on the road (no offence) it might be as well to find out sooner rather than later.
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It is possible. I did DAS over 4 days started learning Monday morning and passed both my tests one after the other on Friday morning. They were all 5 hour days. I did my cbt 3 weeks earlier  |
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| JFK wrote: | I thought, because it is close to £600ish, they would take credit/debit cards, but they don't. |
I can't think of any explanation for that which doesn't get my Spidey Sense tingling.
Did you get a good impression of them during the CBT?
Have you asked them if they have test slots available in January?
Whatever you do, don't spunk £600 in cash up front on a handshake. Pay as you go, or get it in writing exactly what they're committing to provide. If they won't do that, ask yourself why.
Given how close you're cutting it, you might want to consider just spending the money on a 125 and toughing it out until you hit 19. Any bike is better than half a license.
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I've to laugh at these companies, charging 60 for a 2hr slot with at least 2 student riders, yet especially in this credit crunch times, they cannot afford ~3% as a handling fee from their cc machine thingy.
I had a business account before for a business i had at the time, and could only pay in 4k a month free before they started charging for a % of the money being paid in. Sounds like the reason they dont want cash is because they might not be declaring their full profits.
the school i used were just happy for the money either way, but test fees were always paid cash. |
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| JFK wrote: | I'm 23, not 18 . |
Ah, right, sorry, I hadn't made the connection that since you're doing DAS you must be at least 21. 
Well in that case you're fine then. Even if you don't get it all done by the deadline, any passes that you do get will still be good when you turn 24 and can finish it off under the new system. There's a 2 year expiry on the CBT and Theory (and Theory expiry nullifies your mod 1 pass, bizarrely), so you're in no hurry.
Just be sure that your training school are on-board with that and you're good to to. Enjoy the experience. 
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That's a lot of gear. Any chance that you're getting sweaty before you go outside? That'll chill you down a treat.
When you say "kevlar" outer layer, are you perhaps talking about cordura nylon? That's fairly wind and water resistant, but the way to stop wind chill is to seal yourself in completely. Buy some cheap wind-and-waterproof gear, camping shop stuff is fine, and throw that over the top.
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