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skylineonfire
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Quick questions Reply with quote

Bike is currently in with a warranty issue, going to collect a courtesy bike now, yamaha YZF r125. Just gave them a call and it apparently has L plates on. I hold a full licence, can I legally ride with L plates, is that all legitimate etc? I'm still in accordance of licence or what have you?

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PostPosted: 13:11 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Quick answer Reply with quote

Yes - fine.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick some black electrical tape over them to form an X over the L if they won't remove them.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

neil. wrote:
Stick some black electrical tape over them to form an X over the L if they won't remove them.


Isn't this more likely to get me pulled?
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

By defacing them, they're no longer legally L plates. And you have a full license, so no problem.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

skylineonfire wrote:
neil. wrote:
Stick some black electrical tape over them to form an X over the L if they won't remove them.


Isn't this more likely to get me pulled?


the only people who can legally ride / drive with an L plate showing while having a full license are driving instructors or a newly qualified driver riding back from test (I ripped mine off before setting off back)

putting an X or single diagonal line through them is kind of standard practice but you're right, you may get pulled over to check at which point "it's a loan bike, the plates were on it, I've crossed them out as I have a full license" should be sufficient reason.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

neil. wrote:
By defacing them, they're no longer legally L plates. And you have a full license, so no problem.


He asked if it would be more likely to get him pulled, in which case the answer is yes..

There's no need to deface them, it's not illegal to ride on L plates with a full licence.

By defacing them you are simply drawing attention to them and asking for a tug.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:


the only people who can legally ride / drive with an L plate showing while having a full license are driving instructors or a newly qualified driver riding back from test (I ripped mine off before setting off back)

putting an X or single diagonal line through them is kind of standard practice but you're right, you may get pulled over to check at which point "it's a loan bike, the plates were on it, I've crossed them out as I have a full license" should be sufficient reason.


There's nothing in law that forbids a full licence holder from using L plates.
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:


the only people who can legally ride / drive with an L plate showing while having a full license are driving instructors or a newly qualified driver riding back from test (I ripped mine off before setting off back)

putting an X or single diagonal line through them is kind of standard practice but you're right, you may get pulled over to check at which point "it's a loan bike, the plates were on it, I've crossed them out as I have a full license" should be sufficient reason.


There's nothing in law that forbids a full licence holder from using L plates.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:
the only people who can legally ride / drive with an L plate showing while having a full license are driving instructors or a newly qualified driver riding back from test (I ripped mine off before setting off back)

Can you cite the statute?
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:

the only people who can legally ride / drive with an L plate showing while having a full license are driving instructors or a newly qualified driver riding back from test (I ripped mine off before setting off back)


Please cite the law that states this.

From the highway code:
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Vehicles. Any vehicle driven by a learner MUST display red L plates. In Wales, either red D plates, red L plates, or both, can be used. Plates MUST conform to legal specifications and MUST be clearly visible to others from in front of the vehicle and from behind. Plates should be removed or covered when not being driven by a learner (except on driving school vehicles).

The semantics are rather important here.
Anything in the highway code with a 'MUST' is a law.
Anything with a 'should' is advisory and not backed up with a law as far as I know.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are concerned about it, why not just take them off yourself and put them back on before they pick the bike up?

Realistically you will be fine riding with the L plates on.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

as above the wording is 'should' remove them not 'must'

however i'd just put a bit of black tape over them, pretty common practice and did it after I passed my test for my ride back to the school
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Vehicles. Any vehicle driven by a learner MUST display red L plates. In Wales, either red D plates, red L plates, or both, can be used. Plates MUST conform to legal specifications and MUST be clearly visible to others from in front of the vehicle and from behind. Plates should be removed or covered when not being driven by a learner (except on driving school vehicles).
Law MV(DL)R reg 16 & sched 4


It is an advisory but the general understanding is that they are to be removed.

Personally, I would cross them out.

Edit: G beat me to it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a "SHOULD" not a "MUST" remove in the highway code, so no offence.

I'm allowed to keep the L (highway code) between lessons (eg car) and quite often use the Mway a few junctions up and down, never been pulled (kiss of death there then ) in 12 years.

Personally I would tape it over, traffic bods ain't that daft around here they'll know.

Remember for the provisional holder, the L is to alert or help others, it says something like "alter their driving prepare to give extra time" so taping it over satisfies that part as you're a full holder and are sticking to the code.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

popped into Bedford police station on the way to get the bike to ask. after a mini consultation with a few officers they said its no issue and definitely not something I'll have to worry about. lovely folks in there too.

one thing I don't quite get is why they take your details for just going in to ask a question etc, not going to kick up a fuss I don't mind, its just rather odd
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

skylineonfire wrote:

one thing I don't quite get is why they take your details for just going in to ask a question etc, not going to kick up a fuss I don't mind, its just rather odd


Coz you is now a trubbel-maka, innit!
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

skylineonfire wrote:
popped into Bedford police station on the way to get the bike to ask. after a mini consultation with a few officers they said its no issue and definitely not something I'll have to worry about. lovely folks in there too.

one thing I don't quite get is why they take your details for just going in to ask a question etc, not going to kick up a fuss I don't mind, its just rather odd


Bedford has a police station?
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

skylineonfire wrote:
popped into Bedford police station on the way to get the bike to ask. after a mini consultation with a few officers they said its no issue and definitely not something I'll have to worry about. lovely folks in there too.

one thing I don't quite get is why they take your details for just going in to ask a question etc, not going to kick up a fuss I don't mind, its just rather odd


Well how heck will they be able to fit you up with something in the future if they do not have your details? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

skylineonfire wrote:


one thing I don't quite get is why they take your details for just going in to ask a question etc, not going to kick up a fuss I don't mind, its just rather odd


Because they are bullies and they need you to know that they are in charge and they know who you are.

Have you not heard the expression " never trust the smile of a crocodile"
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I decided in the end to just take them off myself. Took the back one off, and ripped the tatty front sticker one off, it was going to blow off in the wind anyway...
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