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flamy
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: tax return question Reply with quote

I registered a Ltd company about 6 months ago, it has not taken any earnings in this time.. do I still need to fill out a tax return?
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you a director of the company and on the payroll?

It is personal tax that needs to be in for tomorrow, not corporation.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I am down as the director. It was my intention to use the ltd company for any freelance work I might do, but I have not yet set up a business bank account nor have I earned anything from freelance work. I have a full time job elsewhere.

Do I still have to declare to hmrc that I have made no earnings through this ltd company?
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have had no earnings or dividends then I don't think so.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes you do need to fill in a tax return for but for 2012-2013.

The tax return adverts on the telly are for 2011-2012 I.e 6th April 2011 to 5th April 2012

Therefore the tax return even if its got nowt on it as you need it by law is due January 31st 2014.

However best to register with government gateway to get your code, rather than Jan 2014.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok thanks. I'm so glad I don't do accountancy for a living...
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flamy
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
Yes you do need to fill in a tax return for but for 2012-2013.

The tax return adverts on the telly are for 2011-2012 I.e 6th April 2011 to 5th April 2012

Therefore the tax return even if its got nowt on it as you need it by law is due January 31st 2014.

However best to register with government gateway to get your code, rather than Jan 2014.


The incorporation date of my company was: 26/07/2012, so that means I am safe until January 2014.. by which time I will have to file a tax return for 2012-2013?
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fatpies
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

flamy wrote:


The incorporation date of my company was: 26/07/2012, so that means I am safe until January 2014.. by which time I will have to file a tax return for 2012-2013?


Yep. As it falls within 6th April 2012 and 5th April 2013 (which hasn't happened yet).

Around March-May you'll get a threatening letter from Inland Rvenue telling you that you need to fill one in. If you don't then phone them up (and pay their premium rate number for it! yes inland revenue helpline is a premium rate number). And get them to send you a notice.

Then IIRC the first deadline in September when you can send in paper returns, 31st is interweb return which you need to wait ages for the confirmation code to get working.

Its because you're director of a company like I was, even if you make nowt.

Still you've got the fun of corp tax returns and annual company returns (which cost money). Before your personal tax is due.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect, thanks for the info.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't just let this slide, even if you never take a penny through the company and continue full time elsewhere.

If you don't fill a tax return or close the business declaring zero income they will chase it up. It took me years to get rid of them after I did exactly the same as you.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I intend to use the company in a few months, after which I am going to get an accountant to manage it for me.. it's just I saw that advert on TV about filling out a tax return before the end of Jan and it sent me all in a panic. Smile
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

flamy wrote:
I intend to use the company in a few months, after which I am going to get an accountant to manage it for me.. it's just I saw that advert on TV about filling out a tax return before the end of Jan and it sent me all in a panic. Smile


You'd be better off going to see someone now, then you may stand a chance of knowing what the fuck you need to do and when you need to do it by. Wink
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm an accountant - feel free to PM if you have any questions - can't promise I will always have an answer.

Looks like you have this one sorted.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't use it before April and then file the return as a dormant company when the time comes.

I had a letter last year asking for a return for the previous - I had to write to them explaining I didn't need to file a return for that year Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Will_ wrote:
Don't use it before April and then file the return as a dormant company when the time comes


This Thumbs Up - but file the return as soon as you can to get it out of the way.

Give companies house Http://www.companies-house.gov.uk a call and they'll expain what you need to do... they're really helpful, and everyone who answers the phone seems to know everything.

Top peeps.

Also, if you used a company formation agent, make sure they're not going to send you any recurring charges. Some of them are a little keen to charge.
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: dormant accounts Reply with quote

Dormant accounts if you have not traded in the last year. A very simple return.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only bit that caught me first time around was the need to pay not only the years tax basically in arrears which I was prepared for but the payment on account bit " based on previous profits" due in advance that hit the cash flow hard!
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although you don't pay the first half until the end of January, by then you have already done 9 months worth of trade. Paying half a years tax after working for 9 months shouldn't be that difficult (as long as you remembered to save a proportion along the way, rather than spend it all).
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