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PostPosted: 23:09 - 29 Jan 2013    Post subject: End of ban Reply with quote

Not sure if a general bike or random banter topic, but I'm sure it will be moved if it's in the wrong place.

Anyway I was banned from driving last year (27/01/12), I got the application form for my license at the beginning of December last year, which I filled in and sent off the day after.

Now when I was at court I was told 'not to drive until I had my license in my hand', but (at next post) 3 days after my ban is up, I still don't have my license back yet, I've already insured the bikes, I've taken the GPz for its MOT... if I get stopped by the police (I'm waiting until February 1st to tax the bike, so won't be riding it until then), how does it work if the DVLA still haven't returned it by then?

Also with the insurance (policy started 27/01/13), I have 14 days to send proof of NCD and a copy of my license... can I tell them to contact the DVLA for proof of entitlement to drive/ride? It seems I'm being unfairly banned for longer than the courts stated for whatever reason.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 29 Jan 2013    Post subject: Re: End of ban Reply with quote

andym wrote:


Now when I was at court I was told 'not to drive until I had my license in my hand


Sounds straight forward to me Neutral
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 29 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't you have to reapply for your license and start all over again? I think you had to do one test to get all of your entitlements back - an extended test that is
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 29 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry mate you gotta wait til its back with you.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 29 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogue_Shadow, I was banned for a year (not a year and a few days/weeks/months), ended on 27th... why is it straight forward?

cb1rocket, no I made sure I asked at the court when I was banned if I had to resit any tests etc... they said 'no'

The only difference is my PCV, because the head honcho decided I needed some time in smaller vehicles first they would ban me for an extra month on my PCV... I didn't realise they would withhold my license until that ban was up.... which technically would be banning me from any vehicle for 13 months
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 29 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

better off ringing the DVLA and seeing that status for your licence.
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing that you can use to prove that you have a license is a license.

It'd be a shame to pick up an Otherwise Than In Accordance before you even get it back again.
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't offer any advice. But I'd just like to say, what a stupid system! Banned until a certain date, yet you aren't allowed on the road till you have the physical licence back Confused So technically you are banned for longer than what they set it as and especially with that whole "not allowed licence back till PCV ban is up" clearly these intelligent people haven't thought it through.
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Thought there was something about being able to drive if you had a licence or had previously held a licence and were not banned from holding one.

All the best

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PostPosted: 00:32 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got caught in the same position, plod took a dim view and I received an invitation to a day out at one of her majesty's courts.

The magistrate said that the law demanded I get whatever quantity of points it was, however, as it was more a technical breach of the regulations rather than full scale naughtiness she suspended them for 6 months.

However this was back in '94 and may be totally irrelevant these days.

Edit as I've just read Mr Kickstart's posting. I tried that argument in the above mentioned proceedings and got nowhere (mind you, I didn't go armed with the relevant acts, cases etc).
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PostPosted: 00:59 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that the DVLA toss you round like a new inmate in a hard ass prison or anything.... but I only have a mobile phone at the moment and at 35p per minute, I don't think my £20 credit would last the length of the call to even get to speak to anyone properly about it.

Funny thing is during my ban I never once ventured off the driveway or for testing the GPz I used the lane at the back of the wifes house for maybe 2-3 runs. On the day my ban was up, I had no problem with taking the zxr on the road to get it started, I took the GPz over to Bristol to have it MOT'ed and didn't think twice about it, because in my mind, I've done my time, I've served my ban, the court said 1 year, I've been off the road for 1 year (and now 3 days over).

On the plus side, I can't take the gpz on the road for another couple of days anyway... until it's taxed that is... so I'll give the DVLA till the 31st... then they'll get the shitty phone call
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PostPosted: 01:10 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Bit of googling and it looks like if you drive / ride before the licence has been returned to you then that is an offence.

All the best

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PostPosted: 01:14 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What were you banned for?
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

DMCpro wrote:
What were you banned for?

Being Scotch While in Charge of a Motor Vehicle.

glug glug, vroom vroom, according to my files.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
DMCpro wrote:
What were you banned for?

Being Scotch While in Charge of a Motor Vehicle.

glug glug, vroom vroom, according to my files.


Pretty much... but you forgot the kittens
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Bit of googling and it looks like if you drive / ride before the licence has been returned to you then that is an offence.

All the best

Keith


unfortunately this is the case as, until you have a license physically in your hand, you don't have a license.

A pain in the arse, i guess to make it easier to get people flouting their ban.

unfortunately puts you in the position you're in.
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drunk drivers Tut Tut for shame

Saying that I recall a really shit house party where we all got in my mates van to gtfo and he said to quote "I'd rather kill all my friends than spend the night here"
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My dad got banned for drink driving and never got his licence back. He was off the road for 18 months but couldn't pass a physical examination, they took blood etc and because he still drank (although not during the day) it showed up and they wouldn't return his licence.

I assumed it was a condition of the sentence, but it seemed unfair. He served his ban, there was no ban on social drinking yet, he never got the licence back because he still had a drink most evenings.

(I should say, his liver has since failed, he was a heavy drinker. But even so... Drink driving is a daft thing to do, but people are vilified for it I think sometimes a wee bit too energetically. How many people that criticise someone who's been caught (for example) the morning after a night out? Meanwhile in the car behind that self same person didn't sleep well and is even more impaired?)
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:
Not that the DVLA toss you round like a new inmate in a hard ass prison or anything.... but I only have a mobile phone at the moment and at 35p per minute, I don't think my £20 credit would last the length of the call to even get to speak to anyone properly about it.


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PostPosted: 14:30 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

pa_broon74 wrote:
How many people that criticise someone who's been caught (for example) the morning after a night out? Meanwhile in the car behind that self same person didn't sleep well and is even more impaired?)


Tell that to the old couple who got T-boned in their Micra at the end of my street. Guy stopped at the junction and then drove straight into them as they went past.
When he got out of the car he was very apologetic, and appeared massively hungover to the point where my first thought was "Jesus, that's a bad hangover".

I've no doubt there have been times in the past when I could have been over the limit - I put that down to being young and stupid.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
andym wrote:
Not that the DVLA toss you round like a new inmate in a hard ass prison or anything.... but I only have a mobile phone at the moment and at 35p per minute, I don't think my £20 credit would last the length of the call to even get to speak to anyone properly about it.


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PostPosted: 16:25 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

pa_broon74 wrote:
My dad got banned for drink driving and never got his licence back. He was off the road for 18 months but couldn't pass a physical examination, they took blood etc and because he still drank (although not during the day) it showed up and they wouldn't return his licence.

I assumed it was a condition of the sentence, but it seemed unfair. He served his ban, there was no ban on social drinking yet, he never got the licence back because he still had a drink most evenings.

(I should say, his liver has since failed, he was a heavy drinker. But even so... Drink driving is a daft thing to do, but people are vilified for it I think sometimes a wee bit too energetically. How many people that criticise someone who's been caught (for example) the morning after a night out? Meanwhile in the car behind that self same person didn't sleep well and is even more impaired?)


This isn't quite right and I doubt you've been told the truth of the situation here.

If someone is nicked for a high amount over the limit or nicked several times then DVLA require a medical including blood test before a license is given back.

I can't remember what is tested for but stop drinking for a month and you will pass the test. If your father couldn't pass the test I would suggest he was a serious alcoholic and not drinking during the day but heavily at night would suggest he was over the limit at all times.

I for one am glad that if he couldn't pass the test he wasn't given his license back. Mistakes happen, anyone can make them but a lifestyle choice is just that, a choice.
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
pa_broon74 wrote:
My dad got banned for drink driving and never got his licence back. He was off the road for 18 months but couldn't pass a physical examination, they took blood etc and because he still drank (although not during the day) it showed up and they wouldn't return his licence.

I assumed it was a condition of the sentence, but it seemed unfair. He served his ban, there was no ban on social drinking yet, he never got the licence back because he still had a drink most evenings.

(I should say, his liver has since failed, he was a heavy drinker. But even so... Drink driving is a daft thing to do, but people are vilified for it I think sometimes a wee bit too energetically. How many people that criticise someone who's been caught (for example) the morning after a night out? Meanwhile in the car behind that self same person didn't sleep well and is even more impaired?)


This isn't quite right and I doubt you've been told the truth of the situation here.

If someone is nicked for a high amount over the limit or nicked several times then DVLA require a medical including blood test before a license is given back.

I can't remember what is tested for but stop drinking for a month and you will pass the test. If your father couldn't pass the test I would suggest he was a serious alcoholic and not drinking during the day but heavily at night would suggest he was over the limit at all times.

I for one am glad that if he couldn't pass the test he wasn't given his license back. Mistakes happen, anyone can make them but a lifestyle choice is just that, a choice.


Spot on, he sounds like a biker killer. The wanker.
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBikerStig wrote:
Spot on, he sounds like a biker killer. The wanker.


So EVERYBODY that is over the drink drive limit kills people (or bikers more specifically), and no other road user has ever injured or killed anyone? Is that what you are saying?

Anyway, just a quick update here.

I went to the local police station to ask about driving before I have my licence back, they said as long as I had the court letter saying that the ban ended on this date then I should be fine. I did mention that (what I thought the letter said), 'don't drive until I have the licence in my hand', but I've just found the letter and it isn't on there.

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The court has disqualified you from driving for 12 month(s)

You must apply to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency, Swansea, to renew your licence. You can do this up to 2 months before the disqualification ends so that you can drive as soon as it ends. If you drive without obtaining a new licence, you woll be commiting a criminal offence.


Now I have applied for the licence about 7-8 weeks ago, does obtained actually mean GOT IN MY HAND or in the system/post?
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

pa_broon74 wrote:
How many people that criticise someone who's been caught (for example) the morning after a night out? Meanwhile in the car behind that self same person didn't sleep well and is even more impaired?)


If someone crashes and its due to them being tired, I'm fairly sure there will be some kind of offence (off the top of my head I'm thinking careless driving/driving without due care).
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