Who works in security?

[Alpha-9]

Was thinking of buying my frontline DS SIA license, £220 but wondering how easy it is to find work, is a few positions up online, but a lot of them are selfemployed

Does anyone here do this, how easy do you find work and is it worth it?
Thanks

Even if I don't like the work I think it'd be a good experience for sure and that's what life is all about
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[garth]

My mate who I go to the gym with works the doors and spends most of his time trying to finger 18 year olds.

That's all I know.
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[J4mes]

Well you've got Joenitro who spends his whole life smacking the shit out of drunk people because it's fun, and you've got hahadumarse who works in security but never actually has any work.



My mate did it, he hated being out in the cold at night, getting hit by bottles and having to deal with people trying to bite him, he loved the endless amount of pussy it put him in contact with

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[andym]

I done retail and static site security years ago, never done doors though.... back then there wasn't all this SIA stuff... but my friend in Glasgow is working for a company who paid for all the certificates and badges or whatever.

I imagine door work would be more difficult to get than retail or sites though

[garth]

[superstacker]

my advice to you would be to head over to:

www.workingthedoors.co.uk

There is a whole load of information there from serving doormen, vacancies, plus some background on the static and retail side of things.

It is possible, but unlikely that you will get full time hours working as a doorman. I managed it after leaving the forces, however most of my hours were between Thursday and Saturday night, with not much sleep in the middle. In London it is very possible, elsewhere maybe not.

You can get a lot of hours in static security or retail, however the money is often poor, work is often boring,you will most likely start as a relief officer covering many sites for holidays or last minute sickness.

I hope this helps.

[Hetzer]

[MarJay]

I know someone who used to do it. He did it just to get into fights. He's big and trains hard at various martial arts.

He doesn't care about being outdoors as he's a window cleaner by day anyway, but I think he gave up as the police were taking an interest in his escapades.

Sounds like the sort of job to suit people whose only ability in life is bodybuilding and/or fighting really.
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[Alpha-9]

Err that's kind of the point guys!

The idea is I put myself into situations i'm not comfortable in in order to develop and come out on top, if we all only did things we were comfortable with we'd never get anywhere in life, that's why there are still 40 something year olds getting the bus who have never driven because they are simply too afraid to step outside their 'comfort zone'

I don't want to stay in my bubble.
It's like my friend, he did door to door sales, a fucking HORRIBLE job but an experience that is with him for life and he has learned from.

I'm really not fussed about fingering 16 year olds, i've long passed the wanting to shag everything phase in my puberty

And it's not about getting into fights either...in fact bouncers i've never seen a bouncer hit anyone as such and they are not allowed to and if they were caught they are very much open to litigation, let alone if the SIA come to inspect... it already pisses me off when I see security without their badges on show

The security guards I do know, who sit on my site when I leave, fucking easy job! they just sit there and do fuck all, then lock up at the end, easyyy.

I think I could benefit from it...wish I had more money though, suddenly spent like a grand on bills and shit over the last month, my insurance payout has already gone, waiting on the personal injury now
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[Alpha-9]

[MarJay]

The person I know makes sure he knows all the dead spots on the CCTV, and exactly what to say to the police if they ask him what happened. He's learned it all by rote and is pretty good at it, hence he's not in prison.

However, the police were starting to get an idea about him, as were his employers. It's mainly a power trip thing.

Alpha, have you been reading Geoff Thompson's book by any chance?
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[andyscooter]

lad i work with used to work the doors at cinimas in rubery and birmingham

did it just for the cash but still ended up with a fair bit of trouble
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[TheSmiler]

Yes coming from me before someone says anything...

You have got be very careful, job centers are sending everyone on the SIA, Nursing and CSCS course. So they can try and clear their books personally you are best searching around the area first and seeing what security jobs are available (if any companies will take you on) before you go for the license.

I've gone and got the SIA license yet still struggling to achieve anything via it due to the amount of other applicants and low work experience. That is where we differ your experience will put you ahead of other people that are being send by the job center.
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[pepperami]

There is not as much work out there as you think.
Sure most club & pubs & venues have door-staff theses days but you`ll be suprised how much is permently taken by regular staff.

Secondly , there are many out there (from abroad) who will do the work for mickey mouse money just to get the work.
this means a lot of venues can almost tell you what they are going to pay.
If you want a slot on a door that pays well, you are going to have to prove your worth, and that is not all about fighting but that does come into the equation in a small way.

There are a lot of silly little boys out there with a badge and if you want to get work, you are going to have to prove you are better than them.
Not turning up for work because you have a sniffle just wont cut it
You`ll soon find that they dont need you anymore.

If you have to do a difficult venue, you have to remember that people will want to do you harm and you are expected stay there and deal with it, running away is not an option.


Remember it does`nt matter how hard you are , there will always be someone harder , tougher , and a whole lot meaner than you.
So can you talk your way out of a situation?
Do you have people skills? , because door-work is more in the head than the fist.

One option for getting into security work is becoming a steward at your local football/rugby club.
That way you dont have to have a SIA badge if you are stewarding only.
If you are stewarding only, you will still get an idea of some of the requirements of security work and dealing with punters.
We have a lot of stewards at our ground that have gone on to get thier SIA badges
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[Alpha-9]

Thanks for the input all, insightful from all sides


Confrontation wise, last fight I got in I tried and tried to talk him out of it but he insisted on squaring up to me so I ended up choking him against the wall and throwing him to the ground and us both being given 24 hour leave the area tickets from the police
Time before that I nearly got in a fight for STANDING ON HIS TOE IN A NIGHTCLUB. But talked him down from it.


And with all conflict I always talk them down before getting physical, but as a DS I imagine you wont get much time for that, there would be warning people but chances are it's kicking off before you know it and you just need to get them out straight away.

It's £220 for the license application, i've nearly finished it just needs counter signatories.
A few people have said i'd be good at that sort of work and people at work often mistake me for the security, and i'm bigger than the actual security, and better at solving conflicts! All kicked off in our place and security were no where to be found - Hiding in the back room!

I don't think of myself as a 'hard man' by any means though and am aware of risks but I don't think it's as prevalent as that and you always have support, someone with more experience and are rarely alone

Yes that's what I figured work wise, i'd get the license then not find any work, if I had a lot of experience then I wouldn't have to prove myself so much.

And smiler no offense but you are tiny bro!
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[LordShaftesbu...]

You might as well give it a go, no-one can claim getting the shit kicked out of you is boring.

[TheSmiler]

[pepperami]

[Razzy]

I work a static site during the day which is 9-5 and I have done the doors for the last 8 years for various places in Glasgow.
You get dogs abuse for very little doing both and it takes thick skin to do it. You could talk to people all day/night but if they are intent on causing you harm then you better be ready to go toe to toe with them even if they are bigger than you and if you are not willing to do that then forget about doing the job.
Its very easy for people to say never go in alone and try to defuse a situation but people under the influence don't think rationally and therefore they have very little sense of self preservation and can easily reach a higher potention in harming you. In the last 8 years I can only count on one hand the amount of nights without incident. I have been stabbed with a knife, needle, screwdriver. shot at, spat on, puked on and everything inbetween. Also helped a women give birth at a nightclub . I have seen the best and worst in humanity doing it but no matter what happens I keep doing it (and not for the shity money).
Retail can be good fun if in a large store with a good cctv op. Static sites are mostly uneventfull but still have the potential to fuck you over with unforseen things.

Your badge I recommend getting your Door Supervisors as it allows retail/static/pubs/clubs. Some bigger companies will put you through it and if/when you leave will take off so much from your final wage or allow you to pay it up monthly for about £10 each month.

It's not for everyone so give it a good amount of thought first
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