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Fifteen15
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Zig zag lines at traffic lights Reply with quote

What do those zig zag lines mean at traffic lights? Is it illegal to filter over them?
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: Zig zag lines at traffic lights Reply with quote

Fifteen15 wrote:
What do those zig zag lines mean at traffic lights? Is it illegal to filter over them?


You MUST NOT stop (except for the crossing itself), park or unload on a crossing or in the area covered by the zig-zag lines..
You MUST NOT overtake the moving vehicle nearest the crossing or the vehicle nearest the crossing which has stopped to give way to pedestrians.
You MUST NOT turn in the road (3 point/U-turn).

The yellow zigzag line outside schools have the same rules, no overtaking throughout their length.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm on my phone so can't check but I think you can overtake on zigzags as long as you do not overtake the lead vehicle.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beaten by seconds ;p
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that I know of, it's illegal to park on them though.

They are there to stop people parking near the crossing and obstructing others view of it.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

scarborough_lad wrote:
So no filtering, no overtaking or nuthin.


You can overtake or filter, but not pass the vehicle nearest the crossing. If the traffic is stationary, you need to beware of pedestrians crossing behind vehicles but not on the crossing itself.

I would not advise doing it on your test.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

scarborough_lad wrote:
They mean that you can't pass another vehicle, in any lane. So no filtering, no overtaking or nuthin. Up to you whether you follow it or not of course.....


No. Read the Highway Code.
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Filtered past coppers on those lines plenty of times and never been stopped. Don't think it's strictly legal but I'm not too sure on what. I think it's as other have said and you shouldn't overtake the front vehicle but I'm sure Rogerborg will be along soon to copy and paste the relevant part of the highway code.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a definite no that you can't filter past first vehicle, it's just not advisable. You can over take. Just not park or u turn
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pelican Crossing rules
•A solid amber light means the Pelican Crossing lights are about to change red. Solid Amber means slow down and prepare to stop.
•The zigzag lines painted on the road either side of a Pelican Crossing are areas where vehicles are not permitted to park. Parking in these areas obstructs the view of the crossing to other drivers and increases the chances of accidents to both drivers and pedestrians.
•The Pelican Crossing area must be kept clear at all times to allow the safe passage of pedestrians. Stopping in this area is hazardous for pedestrians and will certainly fail a driving test. If the police or cameras are present, a fine and penalty points may be incurred.
•A driver is not permitted to overtake another vehicle on a Pelican Crossing. Overtaking a cyclist is permitted.
•Gesturing pedestrians at a Pelican Crossing to cross should be avoided. A pedestrian may take this action as meaning it is safe to cross and is a common cause of accidents.
•It is an offence not to stop at a red light at a Pelican Crossing.
•A driver is permitted to proceed on a flashing amber providing the crossing is clear of pedestrians.

Pelican Crossing zigzag lines


Zigzag lines are painted either side of the road on Pelican Crossings to mark an area where parking is prohibited. Parking in these areas obscures the view of the crossing for other drivers.


Pelican Crossing

The Pelican Crossing was the first successful light controlled replacement for the Zebra Crossing. Used on busy town and city roads, it provides a safer means of crossing the road for pedestrians.

During the driving test, the driving test routes will include many different types of pedestrian crossings, many being the Pelican Crossing. The driving examiners have strict regulations when it comes to pedestrian crossings and many tests are failed due to these.

Understanding the rules not only as a pedestrian, but as a driver is essential if you wish to pass the driving test.


Pelican Crossing - Drivers

Whether in general driving or on a driving test, you are likely to encounter many Pelican Crossings. The way in which you approach them has an impact on the overall safety of the pedestrians and other road users. Always looking well ahead whilst driving, keep a keen eye for any signs indicating a pedestrian crossing ahead. A sign isn't always present, so also keep a look out for traffic lights.

Upon locating a Pelican Crossing ahead, initially check your interior mirror to establish if there are any vehicles behind you and is so, how close behind they are. What you see in your mirror may alter the way you approach the crossing. Keep looking up and down the crossing as you approach for any signs of pedestrians or cyclists waiting. If from a distance you can see pedestrians waiting, the chances are that by the time you reach the crossing, the lights will change.




If as you get closer, the lights still have not changed, decrease your speed gently as they are likely to change at any moment. If a car is driving close behind, decrease your speed more, to give them sufficient time to stop if necessary. Ensure you do not reduce speed to aggressively as this will be dangerous for vehicles behind you.

From a distance, you can also sometimes see the 'wait' sign illuminated on the control panel, even more so at night.

If on a driving test, the examiner will be checking your mirror observations and that you are aware there are pedestrians waiting.

If you can clearly see that there are no pedestrians or cyclists waiting at the crossing, continue at your normal driving speed.

If the Pelican Crossing lights change and you need to stop, ensure you stop just before the first (closest to you) line. If the Pelican Crossing is on a junction, there may also be a cyclists waiting area. Again, stop at the first line and keep the cyclist area clear.


Pelican crossing markings design



Stopping in the cyclist box will likely fail a driving test as you should have anticipated the lights changing on your approach to the crossing. On the flashing amber light, ensure the crossing is entirely clear before proceeding.
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFS! This is basic stuff. Read the highway code and stop being a friggin' hazard.
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattJ wrote:
I'm sure Rogerborg will be along soon to copy and paste the relevant part of the highway code.

Highway Code is for pussies. Folded arms

Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002, Sections 27 and 28.

No stopping (except as directed and subject to some exclusions), and no overtaking the nearest [motor] vehicle to the crossing, whether it's stationary or moving. These are offences under RTA 1988 S36, not advisory.

I can't see anything specifically prohibiting making a turn in the road though.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would be the penalty? Points and fine? Just fine?
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
MattJ wrote:
I'm sure Rogerborg will be along soon to copy and paste the relevant part of the highway code.

Highway Code is for pussies. Folded arms

Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002, Sections 27 and 28.

No stopping (except as directed and subject to some exclusions), and no overtaking the nearest vehicle to the crossing, whether it's stationary or moving. These are offences under RTA 1988 S36, not advisory.

I can't see anything specifically prohibiting making a turn in the road though.


Just to add that a cyclist is not a vehicle and as such can be overtaken. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
Just to add that a cyclist is not a vehicle and as such can be overtaken. Thumbs Up

Cheerfully edited.

I'd kind of figured that pedalists would be madly undertaking up the inside and shooting through the lights though.

Horses can be passed on the back wheel.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattJ wrote:
What would be the penalty? Points and fine? Just fine?


I got 3 points and a £60 fine for filtering past stationary traffic at ~5mph over zigzags at a pelican crossing. I think the code was TS30.
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